Vaccines and Therapeutics 2.0 & 3.0 Merge

[canpakes]

The good doctor has an observation-

[Jersey Girl]

The good doctor has an observation-

Yep. The only way I see us getting out of this mess would be the issuance of vaccine passports and restrictions imposed on those without. That, of course, would cause a major uprising and end up in the courts. So it would seem that we're stuck in this never ending spin cycle of death and disease. We'll be back in lock down before long.

FDA approval might get us somewhere. At this point, I don't count on it.

[Chap]

Over in the UK the experience of ICU doctors is the same:

‘I advise everyone to get it’: Covid patients tell of regrets over refusing jab
Doctors say most patients now arriving in intensive care are unvaccinated, and deeply regret their decision

It's becoming clear that the great majority of people who avoid getting vaccinated are not convinced anti-vaxxers ready to deny that the virus exists to their last breath.

Instead they are people who hear the urgings of medical professionals on one side, but also the claims of antivaxxers on the other and say. "Well, maybe I'll risk waiting till I feel more confident" - until it is too late. Those people are victims like "the 51-year-old, from Cleethorpes, had opted not to have the vaccine. But his final words to bedside nurses and doctors were: “I wish I had.”" That is so sad.

For some people, the moment the ambulance arrives is the time they start expressing regrets about not receiving a coronavirus vaccine. For others, it’s the death of a loved one.

Healthcare workers and Covid patients have spoken out about growing numbers who, once faced with the serious reality of catching the virus, realise that they made a huge mistake.

Dr Samantha Batt-Rawden, a senior intensive care registrar, said she had only come across one patient in critical care who had received both vaccination doses, and that the “vast majority” of people she was seeing were “completely unvaccinated”.

According to official statistics, about 60% of people being admitted to hospital with Covid are unvaccinated.

Batt-Rawden said it was difficult to witness the look of regret on patient’s faces when they became very unwell and needed to go on a ventilator. “You can see it dawn on them that they potentially made the biggest mistake of their lives [in not getting the vaccine], which is really hard,” she said, adding that she had overheard people telling family members about their remorse.

The patients who pull through are for ever changed – their Covid scepticism disappears once they have experienced time in intensive care, Batt-Rawden said.

One patient who regrets not being inoculated is teacher Abderrahmane Fadil, who nearly died from the virus. Speaking from his hospital bed last month, he said: “At the moment I am Covid-19 positive … My road to recovery has been excellent and positive and I am looking forward to getting the jab as soon as I get out of the hospital. I advise everyone to get it. I for one am prepared to go to hell to get the jab, instead of waiting for the disease to devour each and every one of us,” he said.

Glenn Barratt passed away in the Diana, Princess of Wales hospital in Grimsby after fighting coronavirus for weeks. The 51-year-old, from Cleethorpes, had opted not to have the vaccine. But his final words to bedside nurses and doctors were: “I wish I had.”

His family has now urged others not to make the same mistake. Ken Meech, a cousin, said if his relative had been vaccinated, “he would still be with us today”.

He told the Staffordshire newspaper the Sentinel: “I’m not a doom-monger or someone who’s telling you what you should do or not do. After all, we are supposed to live in a free world. But this is one of the saddest times of my life, losing my cousin, Big Glenn Barratt, to Covid.”

Carla Hodges, 35, whose stepfather, Leslie Lawrenson, 58, died at home from the virus on 2 July and whose mother ended up in hospital, said it had been a big wake-up call on the importance of inoculation. Lawrenson did not believe in vaccines.

“My mother did not have the vaccine either, although she had underlying health conditions such as diabetes,” Hodges said.

She said her mother was now looking to get a jab: “She is very lucky to still be here … I know not getting vaccinated is a massive regret of my mother’s. She was embarrassed to tell hospital staff she had not had the jab.”

Batt-Rawden said families often ask if anything could have been done to prevent the situation.

“You know that there is something that the patient could have had which would have meant their life is not at risk, and it is a question we get asked a lot,” she said, adding that in some instances relatives have actively discouraged their loved ones from getting vaccinated. A lot of the misinformation came from social media, she said.

Batt-Rawden said she felt guilty when patients came in and were not protected, as she thinks “we have failed them as a system and a country”. She said doctors will continue to speak up, advising anyone on the fence to get the jab. “The side-effects are mild … Listen to doctors who work in intensive care, because we are heartbroken every day and don’t want you to end up here.”

[canpakes]

Yep. The only way I see us getting out of this mess would be the issuance of vaccine passports and restrictions imposed on those without.

Jersey Girl, have you had to show your vaccination card to anyone yet for any purpose (or do you even carry it with you)?

[Jersey Girl]

Yep. The only way I see us getting out of this mess would be the issuance of vaccine passports and restrictions imposed on those without.

Jersey Girl, have you had to show your vaccination card to anyone yet for any purpose (or do you even carry it with you)?

I don't carry it with me. No one has ever asked for it.

[Themis]

Yep. The only way I see us getting out of this mess would be the issuance of vaccine passports and restrictions imposed on those without. That, of course, would cause a major uprising and end up in the courts. So it would seem that we're stuck in this never ending spin cycle of death and disease. We'll be back in lock down before long.

FDA approval might get us somewhere. At this point, I don't count on it.

A Vaccine card is the most responsible thing governments can do here. Most if not all states have imposed some restrictions on people to protect the population. Government have this right and it is needed at times to protect society. So if governments have already imposed restrictions on our movements they have the right to do the same for the un-vaccinated. Quebec in Canada is doing it right by making vaccines cards and only imposing restrictions on un-vaccinated if case numbers get too high. People don't get that while the delta variant is the most transmissible and probably more deadly, this probably wont be the worst variant. Virus's are constantly mutating a consistent rates, and more of it means more mutations. More mutations means more likely we get ones worse than we are dealing with now. Delta looks as those it is more deadly even for younger people. We don't know if some future mutation may target younger people more than older. We can avoid most of this if more than 90% of the world's population get vaccinated.

[Jersey Girl]

Yep. The only way I see us getting out of this mess would be the issuance of vaccine passports and restrictions imposed on those without. That, of course, would cause a major uprising and end up in the courts. So it would seem that we're stuck in this never ending spin cycle of death and disease. We'll be back in lock down before long.

FDA approval might get us somewhere. At this point, I don't count on it.

A Vaccine card is the most responsible thing governments can do here. Most if not all states have imposed some restrictions on people to protect the population. Government have this right and it is needed at times to protect society. So if governments have already imposed restrictions on our movements they have the right to do the same for the un-vaccinated. Quebec in Canada is doing it right by making vaccines cards and only imposing restrictions on un-vaccinated if case numbers get too high. People don't get that while the delta variant is the most transmissible and probably more deadly, this probably wont be the worst variant. Virus's are constantly mutating a consistent rates, and more of it means more mutations. More mutations means more likely we get ones worse than we are dealing with now. Delta looks as those it is more deadly even for younger people. We don't know if some future mutation may target younger people more than older. We can avoid most of this if more than 90% of the world's population get vaccinated.

Yes, I wrote about mutations earlier in this thread. While people are sitting on their hands reluctant to get vaccinated, the virus is running around out there trying to find ways to stay alive. If youth are it's chosen host, it will do it's damndest to survive. Only God knows what ugly variant will raise it's deadly head, how long it will take or if we're able to defeat it. The Delta variant is estimated to be 200 times more contagious than what we started out with. If the gov't doesn't do something to force people's hands, we have no chance at all of outrunning future variants because this thing will reinvent itself faster than Madonna.

[Jersey Girl]

I still have the stats I tracked all last year.

U.S. New Cases this day 2020: +53,138

U.S. New Cases this day 2021: +42,682

[Jersey Girl]

Let's just take a minute...

"Have The New Jab" - "Hallelujah" adapted by the Marsh Family
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnbOKH9Oe9s

And this...which is perhaps not destined to last too long...

"Lockdown World" - "Uptown Girl" adapted by the Marsh Family
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRs1hFoGWRs

Check out the channel, you won't be sorry.

K, back to the discussion, bitching, and outrage.

[canpakes]

He has a point. : )