Systemic Racism in America Exists

[huckelberry]

I've never said racism doesn't exist, it's always existed in America, it exists worldwide, there's not one country that doesn't deal with racism in one form or another. My children look Asian, not white, I've raised them to understand how some people can be total jerks by just basing first impressions off of skin color. But believing that America and the institutions that are part of this country are inherently racist and we need to fundamentally change everything about how it was founded is more than dangerous.

Atlanticmike, I think sometimes it helps communication to recheck which word actually fits best. I do not believe this country is inherently racist. I believe racism has had an important influence upon America. If I believe inherently racist then a complete start over would be the only solution. But there is nothing inherently racist about America.

Saying there is systemic racism does not mean that America in inherently racist. It means racism has influenced the social system in broadly influential ways. It does not mean people of color cannot succeed
They can but may run into some extra difficulties.

Being aware of the problems can help America change. That process has made America today much much less racist than it was when I was a child. I certainly have hope that that change can continue. That will make the most of the good things that are in America.

[Some Schmo]

I've never said racism doesn't exist, it's always existed in America, it exists worldwide, there's not one country that doesn't deal with racism in one form or another. My children look Asian, not white, I've raised them to understand how some people can be total jerks by just basing first impressions off of skin color. But believing that America and the institutions that are part of this country are inherently racist and we need to fundamentally change everything about how it was founded is more than dangerous.

Atlanticmike, I think sometimes it helps communication to recheck which word actually fits best. I do not believe this country is inherently racist. I believe racism has had an important influence upon America. If I believe inherently racist then a complete start over would be the only solution. But there is nothing inherently racist about America.

Saying there is systemic racism does not mean that America in inherently racist. It means racism has influenced the social system in broadly influential ways. It does not mean people of color cannot succeed
They can but may run into some extra difficulties.

Being aware of the problems can help America change. That process has made America today much much less racist than it was when I was a child. I certainly have hope that that change can continue. That will make the most of the good things that are in America.

Excellent response. I had the same reaction to equating "systemic" with "inherent." I think you nailed it.

[Gunnar]

I've never said racism doesn't exist, it's always existed in America, it exists worldwide, there's not one country that doesn't deal with racism in one form or another. My children look Asian, not white, I've raised them to understand how some people can be total jerks by just basing first impressions off of skin color. But believing that America and the institutions that are part of this country are inherently racist and we need to fundamentally change everything about how it was founded is more than dangerous.

Atlanticmike, I think sometimes it helps communication to recheck which word actually fits best. I do not believe this country is inherently racist. I believe racism has had an important influence upon America. If I believe inherently racist then a complete start over would be the only solution. But there is nothing inherently racist about America.

Saying there is systemic racism does not mean that America in inherently racist. It means racism has influenced the social system in broadly influential ways. It does not mean people of color cannot succeed
They can but may run into some extra difficulties.

Being aware of the problems can help America change. That process has made America today much much less racist than it was when I was a child. I certainly have hope that that change can continue. That will make the most of the good things that are in America.

I agree with Some Schmo. You could hardly have said that better! I agree with you that America today is, overall, much less racist than when I was a child. I am much less racist now than when I was younger! To my great despair, however, Trumpism and what currently passes for conservative, Republican leadership, seems to be trying to walk back at least some of the progress we have made in dispelling racism. A dismaying number of today's conservative elected officials seem to be openly supporting the idea of white supremacism.

[huckelberry]

checking a bit of actual information about critical race theory Wikipedia has this:
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"critical race theory originated in the mid 1970s in the writings of several American legal scholars, including Derrick Bell, Alan Freeman, Kimberlé Crenshaw, Richard Delgado, Cheryl Harris, Charles R. Lawrence III, Mari Matsuda, and Patricia J. Williams.[1] It emerged as a movement by the 1980s, reworking theories of critical legal studies (CLS) with more focus on race.[1][7] critical race theory is grounded in critical theory[8] and draws from thinkers such as Antonio Gramsci, Sojourner Truth, Frederick Douglass, and W. E. B. DuBois, as well as the Black Power, Chicano, and radical feminist movements from the 1960s and 1970s.[1]

While critical race theorists do not all share the same beliefs,[2] the basic tenets of critical race theory include that racism and disparate racial outcomes are the result of complex, changing and often subtle social and institutional dynamics rather than explicit and intentional prejudices on the part of individuals.[9]"
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It could be noted that those scholars in the 1970 were people of color not white folks trying to sell something to people of color.

Critical theory developed in Germany was methods to criticize social systems to help change. They were not concerned with American race problems so did not develop critical race theory. Some folks seem worried that critical theory was developed by some German white men in the 1930s. It should be clarified that just because they were German does not mean they were all bad people. Looking for a simple reference point. Wikipedia supplies some information:
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"The Frankfurt School (German: Frankfurter Schule) was a school of social theory and critical philosophy associated with the Institute for Social Research, at Goethe University Frankfurt in 1929. Founded in the Weimar Republic (1918–1933), during the European interwar period (1918–1939), the Frankfurt School comprised intellectuals, academics, and political dissidents dissatisfied with the contemporary socio-economic systems (capitalist, fascist, communist) of the 1930s. The Frankfurt theorists proposed that social theory was inadequate for explaining the turbulent political factionalism and reactionary politics occurring in 20th century liberal capitalist societies. Critical of capitalism and of Marxism–Leninism as philosophically inflexible systems of social organization, the School's critical theory research indicated alternative paths to realizing the social development of a society and a nation.[1]

The Frankfurt School perspective of critical investigation (open-ended and self-critical) is based upon Freudian, Marxist and Hegelian premises of idealist philosophy.[2] "
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[Atlanticmike]

checking a bit of actual information about critical race theory Wikipedia has this:
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"critical race theory originated in the mid 1970s in the writings of several American legal scholars, including Derrick Bell, Alan Freeman, Kimberlé Crenshaw, Richard Delgado, Cheryl Harris, Charles R. Lawrence III, Mari Matsuda, and Patricia J. Williams.[1] It emerged as a movement by the 1980s, reworking theories of critical legal studies (CLS) with more focus on race.[1][7] critical race theory is grounded in critical theory[8] and draws from thinkers such as Antonio Gramsci, Sojourner Truth, Frederick Douglass, and W. E. B. DuBois, as well as the Black Power, Chicano, and radical feminist movements from the 1960s and 1970s.[1]

While critical race theorists do not all share the same beliefs,[2] the basic tenets of critical race theory include that racism and disparate racial outcomes are the result of complex, changing and often subtle social and institutional dynamics rather than explicit and intentional prejudices on the part of individuals.[9]"
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It could be noted that those scholars in the 1970 were people of color not white folks trying to sell something to people of color.

Critical theory developed in Germany was methods to criticize social systems to help change. They were not concerned with American race problems so did not develop critical race theory. Some folks seem worried that critical theory was developed by some German white men in the 1930s. It should be clarified that just because they were German does not mean they were all bad people. Looking for a simple reference point. Wikipedia supplies some information:
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"The Frankfurt School (German: Frankfurter Schule) was a school of social theory and critical philosophy associated with the Institute for Social Research, at Goethe University Frankfurt in 1929. Founded in the Weimar Republic (1918–1933), during the European interwar period (1918–1939), the Frankfurt School comprised intellectuals, academics, and political dissidents dissatisfied with the contemporary socio-economic systems (capitalist, fascist, communist) of the 1930s. The Frankfurt theorists proposed that social theory was inadequate for explaining the turbulent political factionalism and reactionary politics occurring in 20th century liberal capitalist societies. Critical of capitalism and of Marxism–Leninism as philosophically inflexible systems of social organization, the School's critical theory research indicated alternative paths to realizing the social development of a society and a nation.[1]

The Frankfurt School perspective of critical investigation (open-ended and self-critical) is based upon Freudian, Marxist and Hegelian premises of idealist philosophy.[2] "
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Thank you sir.
https://youtu.be/7rQve0x4aNE

[canpakes]

checking a bit of actual information about critical race theory Wikipedia has this:
(Proof that Atlanticmike has been ignorantly stating that the two are the same)

Thanks for educating him on at least the first part.

Baby steps, but it’s a start. ; )

[canpakes]

The Godfather of critical race theory, who Atlanticmike thinks is a white dude.

[Atlanticmike]

The Godfather of critical race theory, who Atlanticmike thinks is a white dude.

There's critical race theory, Queer Theory, femenist theory and etc.
Most of which is just a branch of Critical theory.

[canpakes]

There's critical race theory, Queer Theory, femenist theory and etc.
Most of which is just a branch of Critical theory.

Nope.

Don’t try so hard to be willfully ignorant. Take your chance here to learn.

[canpakes]

Interested in truth?
(You won’t find it in my videos)

Meanwhile … Below is a leading contemporary proponent of critical race theory, who Atlanticmike thinks is white.