Split from Dawkins Thread

[_beastie]

marg has VERY selective hearing

[_marg]

Marg, would you please stop saying I'm playing dumb. I say why I got the sort of attention I did and do. Can you NOT comprehend that getting attention is not the same as desiring it? Is that really that hard to comprehend?

When I walk out of my home and dress cute I don't mind if men notice. I DO mind if a man walks up to me says something lewd and says that my "cuteness" was telling him to act like an ass. Do you really not see what you're suggesting here?
If someone yells something lewd to me and I happen to be dressed to go out at night is that me wanting that man to say something lewd to me?

Marg, you're a nut.

Look Moniker I can remember reading a post of yours a while back in which you were talking with some guy about your avatar and mentioning how you didn't understand why some other guy had said to you he found it provocative. That's playing dumb. I don't see the guys on this board being lewd with you.

You keep saying I WANT certain attention. Liz makes FAR more sexual posts than I do -- please just agree with me. She doesn't get guys acting nuts to her (according to her).

Liz is different obviously. Liz doesn't give me the same impression, with her I find she's more play acting. It's like she's willing to play on the board, and appreciate the board for what it is and makes no bones about being playful. You don't come across as just play acting.

So, there's something else here, dontcha think, marg? If Liz has incredibly sexy avatars, makes role playing threads, speaks about goddess suites often and does NOT get the attention I do maybe it's something else, ya think?

Ok you're noticing the same thing I am, "role playing threads" She's not talking about her personal life, whether or not she has stretch marks, what she wears and a host of other things you do. And so guys are picking on her being just playful.

Also marg, it does have to do with judgment calls. You say me saying that I'm single is desiring sexual attention. WTF?????

You talking about your private life, is one aspect of it all. You can't take out one point I say out of context and think that makes the entire point. by the way, I never said you saying you are single is desiring sexual attention.

Once again, YOU tell me why you told Ren he had sexual fantasies about me. This is YOUR issue marg -- not mine. You seriously have a problem with other women, I think.

Well I need a link for the post to refresh memory of context. If you don't give it to me, perhaps I'll look for it later.

[_beastie]

Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

You tell a woman who has never made sexually suggestive remarks, much less engaged in openly flirtatious sexuality, that she's asking for it, and a woman who creates a whole role-playing sexual fantasy is just playin'. You cannot be serious.

by the way, I'm not judging or condemning liz for her role-playing. Just pointing out how ludicrous you. marg, are, and apparently incapable of being objective.

I hate to say this, but you know what this reminds me of? The young girl in middle school and high school who develops large breasts early. She's perceived as "asking for it" if she does ANYTHING other than act like a nun.

[_Moniker]

I have made sexually suggestive remarks to Coggins -- 'cause he acts like an ass to me. I enjoy screwing with him. I don't mind pissing off TBM's that trumpet their supposed moral superiority in my face. I admit to that.

I do talk about sexuality, and my sexuality. Yet, interestingly enough most of my talking about sexuality has been in the last few months. Before that time I rarely spoke about it and that's when the majority of the poor behavior occurred. I also think I was emotionally vulnerable at that time and that attracted some men to me.

[_GoodK]

I also think I was emotionally vulnerable at that time and that attracted some men to me.

So creepy...

[_Moniker]

I'm going around right now searching for things that were sexually suggestive.... now, I'm paranoid...

[_marg]

First no, I'm not 60+. Of course I would not suggest anyone asks to be raped. Aren't you presenting a slippery slope argument? Because I say based on moniker's avatars and the things she has said that she's asking to be noticed by guys in a sexual way, that now it's turning into an argument close to she's asking to be raped? Who on this board has been sexually aggressive? And if the complaint is of pm's well then it doesn't take a genius to figure out rules of society in real life change when the anonymity of the internet comes into play.

Marg, PLEASE read posts carefully before you respond. This is not the first time you've done this. I clearly specified that I did NOT believe you were talking about rape!! I made that clarification because I didn't want you, or anyone else, to think that my phrase "asking for it" was referring to rape.

You even quoted my citation, and STILL got it wrong.

No Beastie I didn't get it wrong look at my words carefully....note the word "close". ... "now it's turning into an argument close to she's asking to be raped?" You bring up "rape and then you bring up "sexual aggression." So your slippery slope argument is that if I talk about Moniker attracting the interest of guys and that being normal, your argument is that I must be saying Moniker deserves to be treated with sexual aggression. I never argued sexual aggession, never used those words. What do you mean by sexual aggression, but you mention if following your reference to "rape" so you tie it into rape and that women don't ever ask for it no matter what they say or do. I asked who on this board has been sexually aggressive and your response is to misrepresent my post and argue a strawman.

How is it that you can possibly read those words and then say I am turning it into an argument CLOSE to being raped??????

see above

Sexually aggressive = making uninvited sexual comments to a woman

I have interacted with moniker on threads many, many times. I do not believe she's been anything other than FRIENDLY. I do NOT see her being overly flirtatious or making suggestive comments to posters.

You guys act like this is such a horrible thing that guys should pick up on Moniker's suggestive posts. I didn't say she wasn't friendly, another strawman.

If this is not a generational issue, then it is a personal issue. She humiliated JAK and you can't stand it.

Right if that makes you feel better, go with it.

by the way, if you've been married 40 years, you're close enough to 60 for my comments to stand. Whether or not my comments are accurate, who knows. Aside from how applicable it is to you, I do believe my comments are accurate observations about the occasional tension between older and younger women.

You've seen my posts long enough Beastie to know Moniker is not the only one I'm honest with. I have no particular "type" of individual I disagree with, or I'll speak my mind with. They are women, men, young, old, sometimes religious, some times not religious.

Ok guys, I'm going to let you believe whatever you wish. Whatever satisifies go for it. I believe I've added enough comments, and although this may be important to you it seems, it's not to me. Unless one of you writes something with some substance and it shows you are interest in a honest critical discussion I'll leave you to talk amongst yourselves.

[_Moniker]

I also think I was emotionally vulnerable at that time and that attracted some men to me.

So creepy...

I know -- yet, I think it's the truth, unfortunately.

I also may have been too blunt about lots of the things I said.

by the way, I just need to say the majority of men on this site are wonderful. I'm not saying that most men are scums or even a large number of them on this site were. I wish I hadn't replied -- I had seen Tal's comment and was ignoring it.

[_Moniker]

I do think my personality and being silly about sexuality caused some of the problems, as well.

Let, needless to say -- I try not to do that anymore since I did receive some attention I didn't want. I've actually tried to tone myself down lately.

marg, I've agreed with you a few times that saying things about my personal life and sharing things was not wise. I agree, it wasn't. Yet, I still don't think I was looking for some of the reactions I received.

Or it could just be that now I'm tired of them?

[_marg]

You know Moniker it's not that big a deal. There's nothing wrong with being sexual, or coming across that way on a message board, but also keep in mind this is the internet and where people in real life might refrain with anonymity they become different people behind the screen. And by the way, there's no need to be honest on the internet and open up your life to others. You make yourself vulnerable and accessible to others when you do. If you come across as intimate sharing your private thoughts etc, people will feel closer connected but at a cost to you, if you don't want them too. Intimacy is for your close friends, close boyfriends.