Trevor wrote: And, I'll say it again, McCain gave a helluva stand-up concession speech.
Seriously, where was that McCain this whole time? Had he behaved like the honorable, independent Senator that most of his record indicates, rather than spending his time pandering to the Rush retards and playing on racial and cultural fears, I'd have seriously considered voting for him.
That is exactly what I told my wife as I listened to him!
It was the same moving speech that all victorious politicians give. I don't believe a word of it.
It absolutely was nothing ofthe sort! This was no victory speech for his own glory whatsoever. He was somber, sober, and being a leader. He was not crowing about it and lording it over McCain in any manner that I saw and heard. Are you sure you even heard it? He said there is an enormous amount of work to do. He wasn't saying NOW I AM GOD OF THIS COUNTRY! There was little personal pride, no racist themes, and nothing but encouragement and committment to listen to US and help US rebuild Americas prestige, not Obama's prestige. It was not about him, but about our COUNTRY. If you can't and didn't see that, brother you be blind and deef.
asbestosman wrote:To me that wasn't some simple icing on the cake but rather an important issue.
Allow me to clarify. I thought of it as icing on the cake in terms of my decision-making priorities. I do not think of it as only icing on a cake in terms of the positive impact I hope it will have. As I was standing on campus waiting to ferry students to the polls, wearing my Obama pin, a tall black guy with dreadlocks and tons of Obama paraphernalia walked past me. Without any hesitation or any sense of obligation to be polite, we smiled at each other in greeting. I did not vote for Obama out of white guilt, but I saw that both he and I could walk taller because of what we were doing together that day.
“I was hooked from the start,” Snoop Dogg said. “We talked about the purpose of life, played Mousetrap, and ate brownies. The kids thought it was off the hook, for real.”
I did not vote for Obama out of white guilt, but I saw that both he and I could walk taller because of what we were doing together that day.
Would either of you two have smiled otherwise if no such visible paraphernalia had been involved?
I would've because it's my nature to be friendly and not care about skin color. In my experience in going out and being friendly, I'd say it's unlikely many could answer that question in the affirmative.
1. Bush really is quite liberal. 2. The GOP didn't fight back the whole 8 years while the Democrats put out a steady drumbeat of misinformation and wild goose chase scandals. 3. The msn aided and abetted in #2 above.
I agree with #1. After all, neo-cons are just Democrats who got tired of being vegetarians. I don't really see #2 in the same way you do. #3 is balanced out by FNC and a plethora of conservative talk shows. The mainstream media got pretty hilarious at times. Palin's clothes? The attention given to that pseudo-issue was a complete waste. It may very well be that the mainstream media was literally in the tank for Obama, but it didn't help that Schmitt talked McCain into shutting down the Straight Talk Express.
So much of this, however, has to be placed at the feet of George W. Bush--a man who might have been a mediocre president had it not been for 9/11. That tragedy moved him from the "mediocre" category into the "bad" category. It was one thing to sucker the country into invading Iraq, and quite another to fumble the post-invasion plans so disastrously. Our course in Iraq was almost corrected in time to help McCain, and then the financial disaster struck.
“I was hooked from the start,” Snoop Dogg said. “We talked about the purpose of life, played Mousetrap, and ate brownies. The kids thought it was off the hook, for real.”
Trevor wrote:I did not vote for Obama out of white guilt, but I saw that both he and I could walk taller because of what we were doing together that day.
I don't feel guilty for how blacks were treated--I didn't mistreat them. I voted for a black man in part because I think it will help us come closer together. It's not my fault we have tense relations, but I can still do something to help ease those tensions.
That's General Leo. He could be my friend if he weren't my enemy. eritis sicut dii I support NCMO
bcspace wrote:Would either of you two have smiled otherwise if no such visible paraphernalia had been involved?
I would've because it's my nature to be friendly and not care about skin color. In my experience in going out and being friendly, I'd say it's unlikely many could answer that question in the affirmative.
LOL. Well, I am glad you are so outgoing to people, bcspace. I am generally reserved toward people of all races when I am in busy places. I doubt we would have smiled at each other without the paraphernalia, because, in the midst of a busy campus, there would have been very little reason for us to take note of each other. Should I be surprised that you tried to take what was a nice moment for me and turn it into an argument that you are the better person?
“I was hooked from the start,” Snoop Dogg said. “We talked about the purpose of life, played Mousetrap, and ate brownies. The kids thought it was off the hook, for real.”
Should I be surprised that you tried to take what was a nice moment for me and turn it into an argument that you are the better person?
Actually, it seemed that perhaps you were one of the ones finally waking up to the notion that skin color doesn't matter. It IS a travesty that it took an election victory based on race for you and others to experience that.
That I may have done so before you may simply be a matter of me being older than you. But it was not racist effects that caused me to come to that conclusion about skin color, it was me being raised in a predominately (about 70/30) black school.
asbestosman wrote:I don't feel guilty for how blacks were treated--I didn't mistreat them. I voted for a black man in part because I think it will help us come closer together. It's not my fault we have tense relations, but I can still do something to help ease those tensions.
You make an interesting point. I didn't fight in the Revolutionary War, emancipate the slaves, or defeat the Germans in WWII, and yet I am still proud to be an American. If I can take pride in what I did not personally accomplish there, maybe I can feel a sense of duty toward those who have been adversely affected by the destruction of Native American civilization, slavery, etc. Somehow, enjoying the advantages without acknowledging or shouldering the burdens strikes me as irresponsible.
“I was hooked from the start,” Snoop Dogg said. “We talked about the purpose of life, played Mousetrap, and ate brownies. The kids thought it was off the hook, for real.”
I voted for a black man in part because I think it will help us come closer together.
That would be racism as you are still considering skin color as a factor. This perfectly illustrates the case that among Democrat voters, the majority of racism continues.