Remembering Building 7

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BeNotDeceived wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:35 pm
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Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:02 pm

This is enough information to decide not to take you seriously.

Remarkable how damned loud people are while their free speech is "threatened." Aaron Rogers is complaining about being silenced... every damned week. I've never heard so much from him as I have lately. Whoever is silencing these people is doing a horrendous job of it.

Morons.
If you think freedom of speech is not under fire in this country and hasn't been for the last 21 years, I've got some beachfront property in Nebraska I'd like to sell you. Holy crud man, just look at all of the illegal and unconstitutional legislation and new government departments that were born out of the fraud of 9/11, most of which would make Hitler proud. And I'm sorry to say, it's people like you why it's all succeeding.
Which unconstitutional legislation and new government departments in the last 21 years have restricted your freedom of speech?
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:58 pm
Some Schmo wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:02 pm

This is enough information to decide not to take you seriously.

Remarkable how damned loud people are while their free speech is "threatened." Aaron Rogers is complaining about being silenced... every damned week. I've never heard so much from him as I have lately. Whoever is silencing these people is doing a horrendous job of it.

Morons.
There has never been a greater opportunity for "free speech" in this country than today. The internet allows every crackpot in the world to publicize their craziness to a world-wide audience. Take away the internet, and the 911 "truthers" would have been a tiny cult. Same with Q-Anon. Or perhaps there would have been no Q-Anon. To complain about eroding free speech is to make every day "opposite day."
I'll agree with you about the internet allowing people to speak their minds like never before, but try going to certain public events and/or venues, especially political ones, speak your mind and see what happens.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:42 pm
BeNotDeceived wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:35 pm

If you think freedom of speech is not under fire in this country and hasn't been for the last 21 years, I've got some beachfront property in Nebraska I'd like to sell you. Holy crud man, just look at all of the illegal and unconstitutional legislation and new government departments that were born out of the fraud of 9/11, most of which would make Hitler proud. And I'm sorry to say, it's people like you why it's all succeeding.
Which unconstitutional legislation and new government departments in the last 21 years have restricted your freedom of speech?
For starters, how about the Patriot Act and Military-Commissions Act? They don't increase our freedoms. Here's some reading for you...

https://www.hrw.org/legacy/wr2k7/essays ... grealm.pdf

https://time.com/6096903/september-11-legal-history/
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:11 pm
BeNotDeceived wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:08 am
There were over 100,000 people involved in the Manhattan project... not one peeped.
-_-

https://www.osti.gov/opennet/manhattan- ... ionage.htm
Soviet intelligence first learned of Anglo-American talk of an atomic bomb program in September 1941, almost a year before the Manhattan Engineer District (MED) was created. The information likely came from John Cairncross, a member of the infamous "Cambridge Five" spies in Britain.
What are you talking about? News and information of atomic bomb and related projects leaked like a sieve. When I was in CI, one of sister offices was instrumental in rolling a handful of Chinese assets working at Los Alamos. Regardless, you are aware of the Rosenbergs, yes? People were busted left and right for spilling the beans during that era. And it made the news. Also, are we actually comparing the 40’s to the 00’s? Informationally, the 00’s were very different from the WW2 era. Keeping a huge conspiracy under wraps would be impossible, especially when it comes to killing your own people.

- Doc
OK, I'll give you a few leaks here and there, however, by and large, it was kept a closely-guarded secret until well after the first bomb was dropped. 9/11 could have been pulled off with a few hundred people which would have been far easier to manage and keep under wraps.
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BeNotDeceived wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:50 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:42 pm


Which unconstitutional legislation and new government departments in the last 21 years have restricted your freedom of speech?
For starters, how about the Patriot Act and Military-Commissions Act? They don't increase our freedoms. Here's some reading for you...

https://www.hrw.org/legacy/wr2k7/essays ... grealm.pdf

https://time.com/6096903/september-11-legal-history/
Which parts of those statutes contain new restrictions on freedom of speech?
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:07 pm
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/James_Corbett

Image

He made some other videos that were pulled from YouTube:
Who is Bill Gates?

In May 2020, James Corbett produced an acclaimed four-part investigation titled Who is Bill Gates?"[6]
Part One: "How Bill Gates Monopolised Global Health"[7]
Part Two: "Bill Gates’ Plan to Vaccinate the World"[8]
Part Three: "Bill Gates and the Population Control Grid"[9]
Part Four: "Meet Bill Gates"[10]
BND,

This is the guy you’re throwing in with?

Also, why hasn’t he been executed by the Deep State, yet? You know. Because he’s outing them?

- Doc
How should I know? Why wasn't Ron Paul assassinated by the so-called 'Federal Reserve' for all the truth bombs he dropped on them, exposing their criminal outfit to the American people during his run in Congress? Why haven't they taken out Julian Assange yet? Why haven't they taken out Edward Snowden? You'll have to ask the guys who need them dead.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:57 pm
BeNotDeceived wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:50 pm

For starters, how about the Patriot Act and Military-Commissions Act? They don't increase our freedoms. Here's some reading for you...

https://www.hrw.org/legacy/wr2k7/essays ... grealm.pdf

https://time.com/6096903/september-11-legal-history/
Which parts of those statutes contain new restrictions on freedom of speech?
Read the acts yourself. There are other forms of freedom of expression than merely words. These acts restrict and curtail our freedoms all in the name of security. A nation who is willing to give up their freedoms for 'security' deserves neither.
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BeNotDeceived wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:06 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:57 pm


Which parts of those statutes contain new restrictions on freedom of speech?
Read the acts yourself. There are other forms of freedom of expression than merely words. These acts restrict and curtail our freedoms all in the name of security. A nation who is willing to give up their freedoms for 'security' deserves neither.
It's your claim, not mine. If you can't support it, it's not my problem.

If you want to broaden the topic to freedom of expression, no skin off my nose. I'm all on board with constitutional protection for nude dancing. ;)

Right now, there is a movement to curtail free speech -- specifically to criminalize the words of school teachers. I think that would be a great example of restrictions on freedom of speech. But that has nothing to do with 9/11.

We trade freedom for security all the time. I don't have the freedom to follow you around and harass you because you have some recognized rights to security. I don't have the freedom to enter your house and take your stuff because you have the right to be secure in your home and possessions. It's a line drawing exercise, not an absolute. You would no more give up all your security in the name of freedom than you would jump off a bridge.

I have tons of criticisms of things the government has done in response to 9/11. Restrictions on my right to speak or express myself isn't one of them. Look at me doing it right here, right now. I couldn't have reached the audience that I can now pre-internet.
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BeNotDeceived wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:35 pm
If you think freedom of speech is not under fire in this country and hasn't been for the last 21 years, I've got some beachfront property in Nebraska I'd like to sell you.
And yet, here you are still talking.
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BeNotDeceived wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:48 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:58 pm


There has never been a greater opportunity for "free speech" in this country than today. The internet allows every crackpot in the world to publicize their craziness to a world-wide audience. Take away the internet, and the 911 "truthers" would have been a tiny cult. Same with Q-Anon. Or perhaps there would have been no Q-Anon. To complain about eroding free speech is to make every day "opposite day."
I'll agree with you about the internet allowing people to speak their minds like never before, but try going to certain public events and/or venues, especially political ones, speak your mind and see what happens.
In my 60 plus years of life, freedom of speech has never meant the ability to “speak your mind” whenever and wherever you want. If I attend a Trump rally and interrupt his speech by screaming into a bullhorn that he’s a fascist, I should expect to be shouted down and escorted off the premises. And rightfully so. Freedom of speech has always had limits that apply in public venues, including political ones. The Supreme Court decided that in the 1970s, long before 9/11.

Here’s a timeline of important free speech laws and cases. When you look at all of the laws regulating and criminalizing speech over time, it’s crystal clear that you are much less restricted in terms of free speech than any Americans in the history of the country. https://www.thefire.org/first-amendment ... ee-speech/ Unlike the past, you can’t be thrown in jail for criticizing the government or forced to speak a loyalty oath dictated by the government. Broadcast media can’t be forced to air opposing viewpoints. You can’t be thrown in jail for advertising birth control.

If it’s So obvious that free speech has been “under fire” because of 9/11, surely it must be simple to provide some obvious examples.
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