Migrant Caravan Tears Down Border Fence, Storms Mexico

[_Kevin Graham]

Well, let's keep things real. This is not an organic population migration. It's a political stunt funded and organized by lefties in the USA.

Based on no evidence whatsoever. If there is a political benefit to be had here, it is by Republicans. Just look at the way the Right Wing media along with our idiot President has jumped all over this to energize the base. How in the bejeezus does this in any way benefit Democrats?

The American left does not care about these people. The lefties on this forum do not care about these people. This is not about human community, it's about political power. That's all it's about.

So we funded their 1200 mile trek because it gets us political power? You're a special kind of idiot, huh.

For those being used as pawns, it's also not about asylum or fleeing violence or anything like that. It's about economics. It's about jobs. It's about taking the easy road.

So they're all lying then. The talks of violence and hardships is just myth, right? Tell us again how it is the Lefties who don't care about these people? Your side just calls them liars and criminals and conflates them with middle-easterners and MS13.

No, they aren't walking in flip flops.

Most of them are.

They are riding in trucks.

No they're not.

They are being handed meals.

When they're lucky, yes. Did you expect them to walk 1,200 miles without food?

Remember, you're the side who really cares about them.

This ain't the Willie Handcart Company. And when I say the easy road, what I mean by that is that these people are focused on themselves, they are focused on the short-term. Because the truly hard road with a long-term outlook would be to stay where they are and cleanup the problems in their own neighborhood.

Spoken like true human garbage pretending to know anything about these people.

The irony is these people are just looking for jobs. Jobs that don't exist in their country because the economies have been recked by leftists despite the abundance of natural resources.

Funny how no one from Social Democratic countries in Europe are killing themselves to cross our borders. Yes, only a true moron would call Honduras a product of socialism. Their economic model is based on neoliberal capitalism.

[_canpakes]

Well, let's keep things real. This is not an organic population migration. It's a political stunt funded and organized by lefties in the USA.

Based on no evidence whatsoever.

Dog’s a propagandist. He’s fully willing to put this sort of stuff out there on the hopes that someone, somewhere will be stupid and frightened enough to believe it and think that voting Republican will magically make the problem go away.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Dog’s a propagandist. He’s fully willing to put this sort of stuff out there on the hopes that someone, somewhere will be stupid and frightened enough to believe it and think that voting Republican will magically make the problem go away.

I mean, I don't know what you're defining as the problem, but in this case the Republicans have a pretty clear red line. It's locking the border down, building a wall, and limiting immigration to one degree or another. Not allowing a caravan of illegal immigrants to cross our border is just border security to them. Their base is cool with it. Res Ipsa also brings up a pretty good point with regard to caravans of people crossing the border. This kind of thing can get out of hand pretty quickly, and that's a problem for all sorts of reasons that would take pages to discuss.

- Doc

[_schreech]

Dog’s a propagandist. He’s fully willing to put this sort of stuff out there on the hopes that someone, somewhere will be stupid and frightened enough to believe it and think that voting Republican will magically make the problem go away.

It all goes back to George Soros, he manipulates everything.



Fortunately, dog has that tin-foil hat on nice and snug and can see right through the facade.

[_subgenius]

Dog’s a propagandist. He’s fully willing to put this sort of stuff out there on the hopes that someone, somewhere will be stupid and frightened enough to believe it and think that voting Republican will magically make the problem go away.

I mean, I don't know what you're defining as the problem, but in this case the Republicans have a pretty clear red line. It's locking the border down, building a wall, and limiting immigration to one degree or another. Not allowing a caravan of illegal immigrants to cross our border is just border security to them. Their base is cool with it. Res Ipsa also brings up a pretty good point with regard to caravans of people crossing the border. This kind of thing can get out of hand pretty quickly, and that's a problem for all sorts of reasons that would take pages to discuss.

- Doc

Compare and contrast should this caravan ever make it to the Rio Grande:
1. Trump send armed forces to border, antagonizing the caravan until eventually, a la Kent State, we see images of dead kids on the street.

2. Trump hastily erects some flimsy fences in front of the caravan, with a minimal force element at the these fences - then we see an impatient caravan of thousands eventually knocking the fences over and bursting over the border in a chaos...with photos and video of this free-for-all permeating the media.

3. Trump ignores the whole thing and San Diego gets an even bigger poo-in-the-streets problem.

hmm...which one would the Democrats hate to see happen?

[_Chap]

1. Trump send armed forces to border, antagonizing the caravan until eventually, a la Kent State, we see images of dead kids on the street.

However you phrase it, you are referring to a situation where the armed forces of the US fire on an unarmed crowd of men women and children and kill numbers of them, including children. But you make it sound like what would matter would be 'what we see', not 'what was done'. Weird. Like it would be some kind of mainstream media conspiracy ...

Newsflash: research reveals combat troops are rarely the best way to deal with policing issues involving unarmed civilians.

Further Newsflash: professional soldiers hate being put in situations where they have to deal with policing issues involving unarmed civilians. Because that's not what they are for, or what they are trained for.

[_Kevin Graham]

People seem to forget the fact that if you're trying to sneak in a country on foot you want to remain less conspicuous. You can't miss a traveling crowd of 5,000. Clearly their intentions are to seek asylum lawfully as they have stated. Interviewed folks from the crowd have said they're hoping President Trump will simply have a miraculous change of heart.

All this talk of war and invasion is idiotic. They present no threat. None of them are even armed. Their intentions are not hostile. The military isn't needed. Trump wants us to think this by conflating them with middle-easterners and MS13.

[_ajax18]

When did fleeing poverty become a legal reason to grant asylum? Why doesn't this apply to the entire world? Is there no way for people to seek asylum in their native countries without entering the US illegally?

[_subgenius]

1. Trump send armed forces to border, antagonizing the caravan until eventually, a la Kent State, we see images of dead kids on the street.

However you phrase it, you are referring to a situation where the armed forces of the US fire on an unarmed crowd of men women and children and kill numbers of them, including children. But you make it sound like what would matter would be 'what we see', not 'what was done'. Weird. Like it would be some kind of mainstream media conspiracy ...

Newsflash: research reveals combat troops are rarely the best way to deal with policing issues involving unarmed civilians.

Further Newsflash: professional soldiers hate being put in situations where they have to deal with policing issues involving unarmed civilians. Because that's not what they are for, or what they are trained for.

um, i was listing 3 possible scenarios...and while you noticed the first possibility you still managed to miss it.
Let me oversimplify it for ya:
1a. the caravan arrives at the southern US border.
1b. prior to their arrival, Trump admin has reinforced the already "armed force" of border patrolmen with more armed border patrolmen...i will let you research what possible simile could be referenced by my use of "Kent State".
1c. the caravan being agitated and unable to proceed, begins to break down whatever unified cause they may have, whereas some members try to sneak across border or perhaps some throw objects at the armed border patrolmen.
1d. Somehow, somewhere, a shot is fired.
1e. A child lay wounded at the border.
1f. We, being those of us unable to attend this event in person, SEE THE IMAGES, on a variety of media.

::this concludes possibility #1:::

[_canpakes]

Dog’s a propagandist. He’s fully willing to put this sort of stuff out there on the hopes that someone, somewhere will be stupid and frightened enough to believe it and think that voting Republican will magically make the problem go away.

I mean, I don't know what you're defining as the problem, but in this case the Republicans have a pretty clear red line. It's locking the border down, building a wall, and limiting immigration to one degree or another. Not allowing a caravan of illegal immigrants to cross our border is just border security to them. Their base is cool with it. Res Ipsa also brings up a pretty good point with regard to caravans of people crossing the border. This kind of thing can get out of hand pretty quickly, and that's a problem for all sorts of reasons that would take pages to discuss.

- Doc

I agree with what you’re saying above. My comment is referring to Dog’s comment here:

Well, let's keep things real. This is not an organic population migration. It's a political stunt funded and organized by lefties in the USA.

I don’t think that “lefties” are organizing large border treks by Central Americans, nor do I think that ‘Republicans in charge’, simply by virtue of being in charge, keep this sort of thing from happening or make the crowds easier to deal with when they reach their destination.

Dog’s angle is similar to the schtick that folks should vote for Republicans because if they don’t, then young men all across America will be at the mercy of women crying rape (a.k.a. ‘because Kavanaugh’, when all of those angry moms out there were going to vote Republican now because they have sons who might be accused of ‘something’) as if voting for Republicans would somehow create an invisible shield for anyone from such things. It won’t work that way, nor does it make migrants magically disappear, either.