Right Wing Violence - Media not accountable

[_Kevin Graham]

These Are the World's Happiest Countries - https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countr ... -countries

1. Finland
2. Denmark
3. Norway
4. Iceland
5. Netherlands
6. Switzerland
7. Sweden
8. New Zealand
9. Canada
10. Austria
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19. United States

[_ajax18]

So, the claim is hate crimes against Latinos have increased over 50% since Trump took over. What was their source, and who are committing these hate crimes? Could they be attributed to increased reporting? An increase in Hispanic/Latino populations? What are the hard numbers, and how do they compare with Hispanics and Latinos perpetrating crimes against other etnicities?

- Doc

And who collects and counts these numbers? How do you know they haven't made of up the data with a conclusion in mind that fits what whoever is paying for the study wants to hear?

Crime statistics have been skewed for years because Hispanics are in fact counted as white when they do something criminal.

[_Kevin Graham]

God you're damned stupid. When all else fails, go full Alex Jones and suggest its all a big conspiracy.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I see KG can't actually provide any sort of reliable metrics, and then apply them to the narrative he's exhausting. As usual the paragon of Liberal happiness and totally-not-menatally-ill slobbering all over the forum resorts to personal insults because he lacks the mental acuity to do otherwise. If he's what brings balance to the American psyche then we should avoid it at all costs.

Sad!

- Doc

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

So, the claim is hate crimes against Latinos have increased over 50% since Trump took over. What was their source, and who are committing these hate crimes? Could they be attributed to increased reporting? An increase in Hispanic/Latino populations? What are the hard numbers, and how do they compare with Hispanics and Latinos perpetrating crimes against other etnicities?

- Doc

And who collects and counts these numbers? How do you know they haven't made of up the data with a conclusion in mind that fits what whoever is paying for the study wants to hear?

Crime statistics have been skewed for years because Hispanics are in fact counted as white when they do something criminal.

That's actually a really good question, Ajax. We really don't know how the NPR's statistics were gathered for that particular interview, nor does KG do a good job of providing hard data. He just jumps at the chance, after a cursory Google search, to reiterate an assertion made by people who have a clear ideological and political ax to grind.

Let's say someone, and I'm not saying which prolific Liberal poster here this applies to, was shot at by his Latina wife's jilted lover, who is also Latino, would this be classified as a hate crime because he's White? Was the data collected and added to a database that aggregates hate crimes against White men like himself?

I don't know, and neither does he.

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

So, to summarize your objections to the reported increase in hate crimes Doc:

1) The Latino population might have increased by over 50% [in California] in the past few years. We have no way of knowing if that's true or not.

2) This may be a very large selection effect where victims of hate crimes are more likely to be counted in recent years.

3a) Ajax has a point that there very likely is a racist bias against whites in FBI statistics causing a systematic labeling of crimes committed by Hispanics to be categorized as crimes committed by white people.

3b) In fact, categorization of crimes as hate crimes is so unreliable that for all we know, any crime committed by a person presumed to be white against a person presumed to be non-white could be categorized as a hate crime. So maybe the reported increase in reported hate crimes is just a spike in Latino on Latino violence.

4) What about Hispanic crimes against other ethnicities?! What do you think about that?!

[_EAllusion]

(Only one of those points isn't moronic, incidentally.)

[_canpakes]

Here’s a link to the information from which this statistic was likely drawn. Note ‘Crime Data’ synopsis on page 1, and data breakdown from Table 11, beginning page 23.

https://cbssacramento.files.wordpress.c ... a-2017.pdf

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

The first point, googled and posted by KG, was an assertion and nothing more. What does one do with that other than accept it as fact or question it? If you accept it as fact you're welcomed into the cult of Leftists ideology where rightthink and words are as topsy turvy as as Superman's bizarro world. If you question it you're subjected to hateful abuse by mentally ill people who haven't sought treatment for their pathos.

The questions I posed above weren't any more moronic than accepting the information presented was faithfully aggregated in a clinical sense, vetted for its reliability and validity, and then added to a database where consistently accurate reporting is ensured.

Instead, it's just a bunch of soft spitballing where 'crimes' are apparently someone bitching at someone else for wearing a t-shirt with the PR flag on it. Give me a damned break. Whatever the case may be, it's unsurprising our resident 'totally-a-libertarian' yet again finds himself defending a hard Left looney tunes position. Amazeballs.

One will also note EA does his typical looney tunes thing and takes a statement, twists it to suit his needs, ascribes it to another poster, and then argues with himself declaring himself the victor, of course.

- Doc

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Here’s a link to the information from which this statistic was likely drawn. Note ‘Crime Data’ synopsis on page 1, and data breakdown from Table 11, beginning page 23.

https://cbssacramento.files.wordpress.c ... a-2017.pdf

So, again, the points stand that were mentioned above. But let's take a look at the 'increased by 50%' statisric from page 1 of the document (thanks for finding that, by the way, canpakes):

Anti-Hispanic or Latino bias events rose from 83 in 2016 to 126 in 2017, an increase of 51.8 percent.

So, bias events, whatever that means, rose by 43 incidents in a state with 40 MILLION PEOPLE. Here we can see that 126 bias incidents, whatever that means, is approximately 0.00000315 of California's population.

Oh. Well. God. “F” me sideways! It's a veritable tsunami of hate crimes committed by who exactly against Hispanics and Latinos for what exactly? And yet, we have talking heads on NPR aided and abetted by useful idiots pusing that % figure which accomplishes two thing:

1) It makes it seem like there this massives causal event happening when in reality there's a small amount of something happening that's determined by some factors that's being collected in some manner in an incredibly populated state.

2) It's a quick statistic that can be used to attack Trump, and by extension his base, which carries the connotation that it's Conservative white people doing all the hating on the poor defenseless future Democrats. It's basically a cudgel being created and used by abjectly stupid hacks thinking they're clever when it's kin to a child picking up wiffle ball bat and bonking people they don't like with it.

But, please, tell me again how dumb and retarded the Right is again.

- Doc