I never spoke with him about his business dealings

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

https://us04web.zoom.us/j/78196417281?p ... Irb0dhZz09

Wtf is this, Ajax?

- Doc

[ajax18]

Wtf is this, Ajax?

- Doc

It was a bad link. I've fixed it.

[ceeboo]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023 ... -business/

Ajax,

Biden family corruption articles (including the one you posted here) are Russian disinformation. All of them! The whistleblowers are Russian disinformation. The Apple subpoena that resulted in finding the Hunter text message is Russian disinformation. The laptop is Russian disinformation. The several bank suspicious activity reports that were filed isn't true either, again, more Russian disinformation. The DOJ did not place obstacles in the way of people trying to investigate crime, that is another example of Russia/Putin trying to destroy our democracy. They are all nothing burgers. I for one am quite pleased that investigative journalism isn't a thing anymore among major news/media in America. Thankfully, these platforms have evolved into simply telling us what to think and how to think. They provide the powerful storytelling and we the people just need nod our head in agreement. Easy.

Plus - As Joe Biden has said several times now that he has never spoke to his son about his foreign business dealings. Never. Not even once. Not even when they flew to these foreign countries together on Airforce 2. Joe said that he has never spoken to his son about it and I believe him. Why do I believe him? Because I am also a dad with a son and I couldn't imagine talking to my son about anything important in his life. A father talking to his son about something important in his son's life (career, money, business) is absurd. It never happens.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023 ... -business/

Ajax,

Biden family corruption articles (including the one you posted here) are Russian disinformation. All of them! The whistleblowers are Russian disinformation. The Apple subpoena that resulted in finding the Hunter text message is Russian disinformation. The laptop is Russian disinformation. The several bank suspicious activity reports that were filed isn't true either, again, more Russian disinformation. The DOJ did not place obstacles in the way of people trying to investigate crime, that is another example of Russia/Putin trying to destroy our democracy. They are all nothing burgers. I for one am quite pleased that investigative journalism isn't a thing anymore among major news/media in America. Thankfully, these platforms have evolved into simply telling us what to think and how to think. They provide the powerful storytelling and we the people just need nod our head in agreement. Easy.

Plus - As Joe Biden has said several times now that he has never spoke to his son about his foreign business dealings. Never. Not even once. Not even when they flew to these foreign countries together on Airforce 2. Joe said that he has never spoken to his son about it and I believe him. Why do I believe him? Because I am also a dad with a son and I couldn't imagine talking to my son about anything important in his life. A father talking to his son about something important in his son's life (career, money, business) is absurd. It never happens.

[Gadianton]

I doubt that either Ceeboo or Ajax has read that Breitbart article, and I try to avoid getting suckered into putting 100x the time a right-winger puts into their own claims, only to be hit with a second 19-point article that the right-winger also hasn't read.

Take the first point of the article. The article, mind you, was published yesterday. It regurgitates claims by the New York post from 2019, which at the time was regurgitating claims by Peter Schweizer, a senior editor at Breitbart who had written a book exposing the Bidens.

A good primer on the Bidens in China drama found here:

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/10/Trump ... -in-china/

This fact check is also from 2019. And so what that means, is that the folks at Breitbart haven't bothered to review information that challenges their claims and update it, even when that information is already 4 years old. They just repeat the original accusations.

Ten days after the visit to China, Hunter secured a ten percent interest in BHR Partners, a Chinese state-backed investment fund co-founded with Li. The fund’s capitalization was $1 billion

- There is no evidence that Hunter secured a "ten percent interest" 10 days later, rather, he did so in 2017.
- There is no evidence the fund's capitalization was a billion dollars within that 10 days.

Hunter Biden held a ten percent interest in BHR with the entity Skaneateles LLC.

- If the contrary source is lying, and Hunter did have a share from the beginning, then Breitbart has the wrong LLC and the wrong percentage stake for that claim.

Whatever the state of the Biden controversy is, you're not going to find it at Breitbart. While Breitbart is sloppy, for the better lies, we don't need Russian agents, we just need the Republican's Lord and savior:

Trump has alleged that Hunter Biden got China to invest $1.5 billion in a fund he was involved in soon after accompanying his father on a trip to Beijing in December 2013, when Joe Biden was still vice president

Is there something to be really concerned about? Besides Hunter (perhaps unwittingly) trading his dad's name for a name-only spot with a Chinese venture showing that people in power get all the good breaks, which is something that will never change, I'm not seeing anything that incriminates Hunter let alone sleepy Joe. By all means, if someone has some updated information, I'm game.

This first point, even in the worst light, offers nothing to suggest: "Joe Biden not only is linked to the family’s affairs but is a key member of an “organized crime” operation". Perhaps points 2-19 do better, but the failings of point one are severe enough that it's now worth considering any of the others.

Ajax and Ceeboo can cite the most incriminating parts of the article and I will consider it, if there's something here with better credibility than the first point.

[canpakes]

Let’s say that the current DOJ has been weaponized.

Ceebs,

I was away for a few days, and really looking forward to seeing some examples presented of weaponization (and politicization) of the DOJ. Did I miss a post of yours with some recent examples? It could make for a good discussion.

[ajax18]

Ajax and Ceeboo can cite the most incriminating parts of the article and I will consider it, if there's something here with better credibility than the first point.

It's impossible to explain something to someone who doesn't want to know. The CCP paid the Bidens a lot of money? What were they paying for in your mind?

[Gadianton]

Hi Canpakes,

I don't mean to talk over Ceeboo, but since you were away, it's possible you missed some context. I had pointed to several examples of accusations of weaponization upstream from OANN (?) news network, Google displaying 840 hits on their site to variants of "weaponized" and all from 2022 - 2023 (many in regard to Trump). See, Ceeboo had complained elsewhere that we can't trust corrupt media because media is just creating the narrative they want. So I wanted to know how he was safe in his fears of government since the language "weaponized government agency" that he himself is repeating regularly is rather new to media and is being repeated ad nauseum by right-wing rags and tabloids. I mean, it seems most likely that Ceeboo is the poster-child victim of unrelenting media that he fears is the norm within society today.

It's possible that what he meant by "media" was CNN, MSNBC, an non-rightwing non-tabloid outlets; maybe he didn't mean his news sources.

Anyway, this sparked a conversation between Ceeboo and others where Ceeboo introduced this thought experiment. Suppose the DOJ had been weaponized, how would we know about it? The problem with your question is that I've already put on the table just about everything conservative outlets are going to have in their arsenal so he's going to be hard-pressed to find something I didn't beat him to the punch with, and he has good reason to suspect given my post that you will dismiss all of it because it comes from sources you'll just say aren't credible. So he's kind of in a bind where he can't answer that question because it relies on having common epistemological grounding.

And so his hypothetical is less about what examples are out there, and more about epistemology, how could we possible come to know about such examples, since liberal enablers would likely be in on the plot? It's not a bad hypothetical to contemplate. Let me provide another example.

Steven Anderson, an up-and-coming Baptist preacher who loves Trump and for years preached the great evils of Barack Obama, has taught some other harsh truths such as, Hitler didn't exterminate millions of Jewish people, but rather put them to work as laborers to build his empires, which entailed putting them on trains that sent them where they were needed to work. Suppose this good Trump-supporting Christian is right that there was no holocaust, how would we know about it? Certainly, CNN, MSNBC, AP; none of these places are going to cover it, Fox news and even OANN may steer clear, and so you're down to Alex Jones and only a few other places. And so if we were to say regarding Anderson's claims, "Oh come on, nobody takes Alex Jones seriously!" then there would be literally no way for the truth to ever see the light of day on this matter.

[Gadianton]

It's impossible to explain something to someone who doesn't want to know.

I didn't ask you to explain anything. I asked you to cite a claim from points 2-19 that has better credibility than point 1 did. You don't have to do any work, just copy paste the best part.

The CCP paid the Bidens a lot of money?

Are you asking me? I don't know. If you think the CCP paid the Bidens a lot of money, and that this is a highly credible claim that I can't easily research and debunk in 5 minutes, then please copy and paste the accusation here.

What were they paying for in your mind?

Right. The cart before the horse. Let's first establish the CCP paid the Bidens a lot of money, if that's your claim.

[Chap]

Steven Anderson, an up-and-coming Baptist preacher who loves Trump and for years preached the great evils of Barack Obama, has taught some other harsh truths such as, Hitler didn't exterminate millions of Jewish people, but rather put them to work as laborers to build his empires, which entailed putting them on trains that sent them where they were needed to work. Suppose this good Trump-supporting Christian is right that there was no holocaust, how would we know about it?

Well, the known known to have been non-massacred family members of people I know very well indeed (or their children or grandchildren) might well have contacted them to ask why they were never sent Hannukah cards, and maybe people might like to come and visit to mend the rift in the family that must had led to the long silence. You know, the people who were wrongly thought to have been killed in known places on known dates and so on.

(I realise of course that your question is hypothetical, and that you are not denying that large parts of the Jewish population of Europe were massacred during WWII, both by deliberate and organised action of the Nazi government of Germany, and by people who just thought they did not want to miss a chance to kill some Jews.)