MsJack wrote:He pretty much Karen'ed me and was like, "How dare you say that after my years of military service!" And I was like, "Your years of military service don't mean anything if you support a traitor. Look where that got Ashli Babbitt."
This was an attempted coup -- to overturn the results of a lawful election -- and back it up with violence against American citizens using the U.S. military.
I wonder if the U.S. military would've obeyed orders from Trump had it come to that.
Anyway, can we all agree that Mike Pence is a national hero for refusing to go along with such madness?
I dunno. I'm glad Mike Pence finally told the truth publicly. Waiting 2 and 1/2 years to do so has diminished his heroism and legacy (I agree with his mostly heroic actions that day).
Co-conspirator #6 may be identified. Not sure if this specific article is behind a paywall, so here's the most relevant chunk:
An email from December 2020 from Boris Epshteyn, a strategic adviser to the Trump campaign in 2020, to Mr. Giuliani matches a description in the indictment of an interaction between Co-conspirator 6 and Mr. Giuliani, whose lawyer has confirmed that he is Co-conspirator 1.
The email, sent on Dec. 7, 2020, and reviewed by The New York Times, was from Mr. Epshteyn to Mr. Giuliani and Mr. Giuliani’s son, Andrew, and had the subject line, “Attorneys for Electors Memo.” It says, “Dear Mayor, as discussed, below are the attorneys I would recommend for the memo on choosing electors,” and it goes on to identify lawyers in seven states.
Paragraph 57 of the indictment says that Co-conspirator 1, Mr. Giuliani, “spoke with Co-conspirator 6 regarding attorneys who could assist in the fraudulent elector effort in the targeted states” and received an email from Co-conspirator 6 “identifying attorneys in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.”
Those are the seven states in the email that Mr. Epshteyn sent to Mr. Giuliani and that was reviewed by The Times. The existence of the email from Mr. Epshteyn does not eliminate the possibility that someone else sent Mr. Giuliani a similar note.
Todd Blanche, a lawyer for Mr. Epshteyn, declined to comment, as did Peter Carr, a spokesman for the special counsel Jack Smith. Mr. Blanche also represents Mr. Trump in the two federal indictments against him.
MsJack wrote:He pretty much Karen'ed me and was like, "How dare you say that after my years of military service!" And I was like, "Your years of military service don't mean anything if you support a traitor. Look where that got Ashli Babbitt."
This was an attempted coup -- to overturn the results of a lawful election -- and back it up with violence against American citizens using the U.S. military.
I wonder if the U.S. military would've obeyed orders from Trump had it come to that.
Anyway, can we all agree that Mike Pence is a national hero for refusing to go along with such madness?
I can. I'd add a couple others to the list.
he/him we all just have to live through it,
holding each other’s hands.
For people reading along who need a play bill on the co-conspirators:
CC1: Rudy Giuliani
CC2: John Eastman
CC3: Sidney Powell
CC4: Jeffrey Clark
CC5: Kenneth Chesebro (one of the architects of the fake electors)
CC6: Unknown political consultant.
For people reading along who need a play bill on the co-conspirators:
CC1: Rudy Giuliani
CC2: John Eastman
CC3: Sidney Powell
CC4: Jeffrey Clark
CC5: Kenneth Chesebro (one of the architects of the fake electors)
CC6: Unknown political consultant.
Anyway, can we all agree that Mike Pence is a national hero for refusing to go along with such madness?
It is like the Japanese thing with tipping. They could use the extra yen, but they take great pride in doing their job as expected. Pence refusing to take part in a treasonous plot that would have led to the dissolution of the United States was great, but on the other hand, he was just doing his job as expected. Pity he got caught up in the most horrific Presidency ever.
For people reading along who need a play bill on the co-conspirators:
CC1: Rudy Giuliani
CC2: John Eastman
CC3: Sidney Powell
CC4: Jeffrey Clark
CC5: Kenneth Chesebro (one of the architects of the fake electors)
CC6: Unknown political consultant.
Anyway, can we all agree that Mike Pence is a national hero for refusing to go along with such madness?
It is like the Japanese thing with tipping. They could use the extra yen, but they take great pride in doing their job as expected. Pence refusing to take part in a treasonous plot that would have led to the dissolution of the United States was great, but on the other hand, he was just doing his job as expected. Pity he got caught up in the most horrific Presidency ever.
I mean, you're absolutely right - he was executing a formality.
But we can't pretend he wouldn't have felt tremendous pressure from many in his circle to just go for it anyway, and he resisted any temptations he may have felt. Maybe it was just a smart political or legal calculation, but I still think Pence deserves credit for not bending to pressure. I say all this trusting you know I'm no fan of his. What Doc said was pretty much my reaction to Shades' question too.
Religion is for people whose existential fear is greater than their common sense.
