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Well, you got closer than any Trumper has ever been to answering the question on what is so special about Trump's policies.
Trump's tarriffs, being soft on socialist security and even abortion has worked fine.
You're voting for Trump because of his Tariffs. Trump's tariffs actually qualify as a Trump policy. Congrats. Even though I doubt you know a thing about them, hey, you finally answered the question.

We can throw out the abortion stuff because Trump didn't ban abortion, he confirmed the recommended Rhino conservative justices as any other Republican president would. His rhetoric doesn't count as a policy: remember, the question I pose is specifically about his policy, (because the real reason I believe people vote for Trump is because of his divisive and hateful rhetoric) -- Christians like Ceeboo are telling me "no, that's not the case, Trump is a policy genius and that's why so many Christians vote for him." Yet, nobody is able to name a Trump policy that they like, or rather, a policy that distinguishes him from other Republicans. I mention Haley because she doesn't employ hateful rhetoric. You and Ceeboo are very different in the fact that Ceeboo (and also some of the Christians I know such as my right-wing friend) talk about Trump's personality critically at times; he's divisive, and they claim to want unity. They justify him on account of his policies. Trump is the plumber who is rough around the edges and has a mouth but he'll unclog the toilet better than anyone. No other policies mentioned in your post so we can move on.
but neither DeSantis nor Cruz could win an election like Trump.
I totally agree with you there, and voting Trump because he can win is an understandable reason a Republican whose main concern is a Republican winning would vote for him. But it does bring us back full circle as to why Trump can win where others can't. Why can Trump win an election like no other? What makes him so popular? It's his personality -- I think we both know that. And the most distinctive aspect of his personality is his divisive rhetoric and bravado --- that's what gets the crowd to cheer.
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Well, you got closer than any Trumper has ever been to answering the question on what is so special about Trump's policies.
Trump's tarriffs, being soft on socialist security and even abortion has worked fine.
You're voting for Trump because of his Tariffs. Trump's tariffs actually qualify as a Trump policy. Congrats. Even though I doubt you know a thing about them, hey, you finally answered the question.

We can throw out the abortion stuff because Trump didn't ban abortion, he confirmed the recommended Rhino conservative justices as any other Republican president would. His rhetoric doesn't count as a policy: remember, the question I pose is specifically about his policy, (because the real reason I believe people vote for Trump is because of his divisive and hateful rhetoric) -- Christians like Ceeboo are telling me "no, that's not the case, Trump is a policy genius and that's why so many Christians vote for him." Yet, nobody is able to name a Trump policy that they like, or rather, a policy that distinguishes him from other Republicans. I mention Haley because she doesn't employ hateful rhetoric. You and Ceeboo are very different in the fact that Ceeboo (and also some of the Christians I know such as my right-wing friend) talk about Trump's personality critically at times; he's divisive, and they claim to want unity. They justify him on account of his policies. Trump is the plumber who is rough around the edges and has a mouth but he'll unclog the toilet better than anyone. No other policies mentioned in your post so we can move on.
but neither DeSantis nor Cruz could win an election like Trump.
I totally agree with you there, and voting Trump because he can win is an understandable reason a Republican whose main concern is a Republican winning would vote for him. But it does bring us back full circle as to why Trump can win where others can't. Why can Trump win an election like no other? What makes him so popular? It's his personality -- I think we both know that. And the most distinctive aspect of his personality is his divisive rhetoric and bravado --- that's what gets the crowd to cheer.
Well since you are addressing Christians...here's my response or rather, reaction to your above.

What policies? The only policies I see that Trump has developed are those of a quest for absolute power and control, the avoidance of prosecution and possible incarceration, and a self serving, self professed campaign of revenge against those who would stand in his way of his achieving them.

The man is about himself.

With regard to the tariff proposal, it makes no logical sense. Does anyone really think this country can exact astronimcal taxes on imported goods without those expenses being passed down to US the consumer? Are people living in an alternate reality where they think Trump is going to stick it to the Chinese or whomever and pass the "profits" down to US? On what planet does that make any logical sense at all?

What? Do people really think that the proposed tariffs are going to push foreign countries to set up shop in the United States?

Further, I outright DEFY anyone on this board to show me--from Trump's own mouth--what the proposed percentages actually ARE!
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Gadianton wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2024 4:05 am
Well, you got closer than any Trumper has ever been to answering the question on what is so special about Trump's policies.
Trump's tarriffs, being soft on socialist security and even abortion has worked fine.
You're voting for Trump because of his Tariffs. Trump's tariffs actually qualify as a Trump policy. Congrats. Even though I doubt you know a thing about them, hey, you finally answered the question.

We can throw out the abortion stuff because Trump didn't ban abortion, he confirmed the recommended Rhino conservative justices as any other Republican president would. His rhetoric doesn't count as a policy: remember, the question I pose is specifically about his policy, (because the real reason I believe people vote for Trump is because of his divisive and hateful rhetoric) -- Christians like Ceeboo are telling me "no, that's not the case, Trump is a policy genius and that's why so many Christians vote for him." Yet, nobody is able to name a Trump policy that they like, or rather, a policy that distinguishes him from other Republicans. I mention Haley because she doesn't employ hateful rhetoric. You and Ceeboo are very different in the fact that Ceeboo (and also some of the Christians I know such as my right-wing friend) talk about Trump's personality critically at times; he's divisive, and they claim to want unity. They justify him on account of his policies. Trump is the plumber who is rough around the edges and has a mouth but he'll unclog the toilet better than anyone. No other policies mentioned in your post so we can move on.
but neither DeSantis nor Cruz could win an election like Trump.
I totally agree with you there, and voting Trump because he can win is an understandable reason a Republican whose main concern is a Republican winning would vote for him. But it does bring us back full circle as to why Trump can win where others can't. Why can Trump win an election like no other? What makes him so popular? It's his personality -- I think we both know that. And the most distinctive aspect of his personality is his divisive rhetoric and bravado --- that's what gets the crowd to cheer.
Trump had the money and name recognition to bring out people who previously didn't vote. After being failed by two faced RINOs and Bush's the GOP was hungry for an anti establishment cadidate willing to drain the swamp in 2015. When the swamp began to fight back with their constant partisan political weaponization of the DOJ, it united fair minded Republican voters around Trump. It really hurt DeSantis. We have a very partisan political justice system that needs to be reformed. Nikki Haley wouldn't be willing or able to do that. Instead of feuding with Trump, DeSantis has supported him in spite of Trump's personal attacks. Unlike Romney, DeSantis prioritizes implementing conservativve policies not who gets to implement them.

If the tarriffs were so bad Jersey Girl, why did Joe Biden keep them in place?
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Ajax wrote:Trump had the money and name recognition to bring out people who previously didn't vote. After being failed by two faced RINOs and Bush's the GOP was hungry for an anti establishment cadidate willing to drain the swamp in 2015. When the swamp began to fight back with their constant partisan political weaponization of the DOJ, it united fair minded Republican voters around Trump. It really hurt DeSantis. We have a very partisan political justice system that needs to be reformed. Nikki Haley wouldn't be willing or able to do that. Instead of feuding with Trump, DeSantis has supported him in spite of Trump's personal attacks. Unlike Romney, DeSantis prioritizes implementing conservativve policies not who gets to implement them.

If the tarriffs were so bad Jersey Girl, why did Joe Biden keep them in place?
So far you don't have many examples of what the conservative policies are that need to be implemented. Your examples of Trump policies are cowering to libs by keeping social security, and tariffs, which Joe Biden continued. Not to mention his push and the endorsement of the vaccines that you hate so much. Trump should be an utter failure in your eyes based on the policy examples you've provided so far. If you don't believe me, then you should listen to Nick Fuentes, who is recently saying essentially the same thing that I am.

On tariffs: I think Jersey is specifically talking about his tariff proposals -- getting rid of income taxes and implementing tariffs to cover it. As for his trade war with China, I don't think that was necessarily bad. Decoupling from China is a uniparty thing. China has built its empire stealing our technology. But decoupling is costly -- the estimate is 300,000 jobs lost thanks to Trump's trade war, and 1.7 trillion in market caps wiped out. You're not necessarily wrong to support Trump's trade war; you're wrong in your denial of the facts that our economy took a big hit from it and that isolationism is not inflationary, and to blame inflation on Democrats. You're living in this delusion that your pathway to white, protestant America, is lilacs and roses that will require not an ounce of financial sacrifice on your part -- that with every conservative executive order that deports somebody, blocks trade with somebody, or takes away somebody's freedom; that your paycheck gets bigger every time. You're completely delusional.
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I've heard a great deal of the Trump rally at the Garden.

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Jersey Girl wrote:
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I've heard a great deal of the Trump rally at the Garden.

Just kill me. Kill me now. Kill me yesterday.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2024 11:46 pm
Jersey Girl wrote:
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I've heard a great deal of the Trump rally at the Garden.

Just kill me. Kill me now. Kill me yesterday.
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Oh see. It's only a matter of time now. Freaks. :roll:
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ajax18 wrote:
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If the tarriffs were so bad Jersey Girl, why did Joe Biden keep them in place?
ajax, this site offers a pretty no-nonsense appraisal on our tariff situation:

https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/ ... n-tariffs/

Tariffs do indeed seem to have some negative consequences, including reduced GDP and increased prices. Trump’s tariffs on some raw materials, once they wound their way through the manufacturing process, jumpstarted inflation.

And if these tariffs were supposed to be so good at generating cash for the government’s bottom line - as Trump claims - then that benefit doesn’t seem to have materialized for either the Trump or Biden Administration, based on our ever-increasing debt.

You appear to be offering full-throated support of a policy that has no positive effect on our debt, but that (1) makes many goods more expensive while (2) contributing to inflation. And you’re supporting a candidate that wants to increase both negative effects.
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I’ll need Ceeboo to weigh in on this one, to explain the unifying aspect of this Trump rally quote from earlier today.
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