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[Gunnar]

So breaking what you said down.

A woman is an adult female with XX Chromosomes. A man by default is a adult male with XY chromosomes.

Usually, but a woman with XY chromosomes, while rare, is no less a woman than one with XX chromosomes. Similarly, a man with XX chromosomes is no less a man than one with XY chromosomes.

There are rare medical conditions, that are not of the norm, where there are hormonal issues, and underdeveloped genitalia, unfortunate birth defects.

Does not change the relevance of my argument.

There is coed sports, and girls mature faster than boys typically.

Isn't that what I just acknowledged?

XY men/boys, should not be allowed to compete with XX women/girls.

Not quite what I agreed to. I see nothing inherently wrong with prepubescent children of both sexes competing together since neither sex has an inherent advantage over the other at those young ages. However, I agree that adult women should not have to involuntarily compete with men or transgender women. Informally, though, any woman can test her mettle against any man or transgender woman if she wants to. The most athletically capable women can often beat all but the very best men or transgender women.

And to start these are things any good and honest politician should support and protect these folks, especially women and girls from men/boys.

Fine, but just as important is protecting the health and civil rights of all Americans--even the least advantaged of us. I certainly don't think there is anything even the slightest bit acceptable about massive tax cuts for the very rich at the expense of the middle and poorer classes.

How do you feel about hormone blockers for boys and girls.

I'll leave that up to qualified medical professionals. I don't think I'm qualified to make that determination.

Or parents waiting to assign gender to a perfectly healthy XX girl or XY until they are older and can decide for them selves.

I don't think parents should be assigning gender to their kids at any age. They should love and accept them unconditionally however their own self-identity evolves and changes as they grow up. There is nothing inherently bad about little boys choosing to play with dolls or little girls choosing to play with toy cars and trains. My wife's favorite toy when she was a little girl was a little red toy firetruck.

What about removing breast and other genitalia?

I cringe at the thought of it, but as long as they are fully mature, fully informed adults when they choose it, I have no objection.

Do you think the men who call themselves women, with male genitalia should be allowed in women's prisons?

That's not for me to judge.

Should the government pay for sex changes? Should they do so for prisoners?

Depends on the circumstances.

[Markk]

What about removing breast and other genitalia? Do you think the men who call themselves women, with male genitalia should be allowed in women's prisons? Should the government pay for sex changes? Should they do so for prisoners?

This is so distasteful. Wish folks would stop responding and move your stuff to Spirit Prison.

How is asking a question about that distasteful? If it is in fact going on and acceptable to you, what is distasteful about it.

How do you feel about this move....

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-new ... -rcna38947

Or this story....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... ls-us.html

What is distasteful about discussing what is going on here? Maybe you are just having an issue with dealing with some disturbing truths? Is editing and or suppressing these realities better for you?

[Markk]

Gunnar: Usually, but a woman with XY chromosomes, while rare, is no less a woman than one with XX chromosomes. Similarly, a man with XX chromosomes is no less a man than one with XY chromosomes.

Lets start here, you seem to be contradicting yourself here. Assuming that you are a man, with XY, and you wake up in the morning and decide that you want to identify as a woman, are you a woman then?

[canpakes]

This is so distasteful. Wish folks would stop responding and move your stuff to Spirit Prison.

How is asking a question about that distasteful? If it is in fact going on and acceptable to you, what is distasteful about it.

How do you feel about this move....

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-new ... -rcna38947

Or this story....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... ls-us.html

What is distasteful about discussing what is going on here? Maybe you are just having an issue with dealing with some disturbing truths? Is editing and or suppressing these realities better for you?

Markk, your first link states that the two pregnancies resulted from consensual relationships. Sounds like someone gamed the system. : D This is hardly the national emergency that you are painting it to be.

Your second link does not reveal or link back to the ‘study’ it claimed was reviewed. The article does give this caveat that could be inflating the claimed number of surgeries:

“(the unlinked study) also looked at children diagnosed with other disorders, such as an endocrine disorder, who then had a double-mastectomy.”

It did, at least, link to the JAMA reference, which states the following:

“Between 2013 and 2020, we observed a marked increase in gender-affirming mastectomies in adolescents. The prevalence of surgical complications was low, and of more than 200 adolescents who underwent surgery, only 2 expressed regret, neither of which underwent a reversal operation.”

https://journals.lww.com/annalsplastics ... cal.4.aspx

I’m in favor of having any surgical candidate for this procedure wait until the age of consent before proceeding. Please note that in some situations, children not in traditional family situations do not have a family member who is empowered to make a decision for them prior to that time. Regardless, that figure of ‘2’ individuals expressing regret signals to me that this, too, is not the national emergency that you seem to want to portray it as.

Somewhat related, you may not be aware that some women will undergo a pre-emptive double mastectomy procedure if there’s a concerning prevalence of breast cancer within their family history. Do you consider this surgery to be abhorrent and offensive?

How do you feel about surgical breast augmentation for minors? It’s allowed; should MAGA demand that Donald Trump make it a core issue and talk at rallies about how schools are shipping young girls off to surgical centers during their jr. high school lunchtimes to get 40DD implants?

[Kishkumen]

How do you feel about surgical breast augmentation for minors? It’s allowed; should MAGA demand that Donald Trump make it a core issue and talk at rallies about how schools are shipping young girls off to surgical centers during their jr. high school lunchtimes to get 40DD implants?

Trump will probably provide federal funding for breast implants for minor age girls.

As I think most of us with a lick of common sense understand, Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about gender issues. This is just another case of him finding the wedge he needs to get people on his side. For a long time, the right has cynically used conspiracy theories, horror stories, and boogeymen to get people to vote against their own physical, psychological, emotional, social, and financial well being. At the end of the crap rainbow is always lower taxes for the wealthy, fewer services and opportunities for the rest of us. Trump believes in one thing: Trump. He would sell his grandmother to further his interests, and that isn't a metaphor. He doesn't care about your health, your finances, your security, your rights, or anything of the sort. The problem here is the second person possessive pronoun. He cares about his _________. Your __________ is the last thing he is worried about.

You can't have a healthy society dictated by the personal greed and megalomania of one sick lunatic.

[canpakes]

Trump believes in one thing: Trump. He would sell his grandmother to further his interests, and that isn't a metaphor.

It’s generally acknowledged that Trump buried his ex-wife in a weedy patch along the backside of one of his golf courses so that he could claim a tax exemption for that course that is otherwise reserved for cemeteries.

https://fortune.com/2022/08/01/does-don ... golf-club/

[Gunnar]

Gunnar: Usually, but a woman with XY chromosomes, while rare, is no less a woman than one with XX chromosomes. Similarly, a man with XX chromosomes is no less a man than one with XY chromosomes.

Lets start here, you seem to be contradicting yourself here. Assuming that you are a man, with XY, and you wake up in the morning and decide that you want to identify as a woman, are you a woman then?

No. You didn't understand me at all. I was referring to rare individuals who despite having XY instead of the normal XX chromosomes one would expect for a female are born with exclusively female genitalia, and to all outward appearances are female from the time they were born. Such individuals are just as much a woman as a woman with the normal XX complement of chromosomes.

[Markk]

Lets start here, you seem to be contradicting yourself here. Assuming that you are a man, with XY, and you wake up in the morning and decide that you want to identify as a woman, are you a woman then?

No. You didn't understand me at all. I was referring to rare individuals who despite having XY instead of the normal XX chromosomes one would expect for a female are born with exclusively female genitalia, and to all outward appearances are female from the time they were born. Such individuals are just as much a woman as a woman with the normal XX complement of chromosomes.

I disagree they are as much as a women because there just have female genitalia. Men are different in many ways other than genitalia. Most often when a person is born with a defect or disease in these regards, it is via a hormonal imbalance or problem that impedes development of either the testes or ovaries. It has been a while since I did a study on this, but it goes something like that.

But it seems you agree with me , and say Trump. A normal biologically normal person, with either XX or XY are what they are. That there is no such thing as "assigned gender at birth" that allows then to decide what gender or sex they are.

Should we ban biological normal men and boys from competing with biological normal women and men. I am not talking about youth or coed sports, you know what I mean.

And I disagree also that some how that it is even close that women can compete with men in competitive and especially in power and contact sports. a while back, as a good example, a Dallas under 15 soccer team beat the women's world championship team in a friendly, soundly, 5-2.

[Markk]

Cakes....Markk, your first link states that the two pregnancies resulted from consensual relationships. Sounds like someone gamed the system. : D This is hardly the national emergency that you are painting it to be.

Lol...yes I am sure it was. Having a man, who simply says he is a women, or is taking pills to grow breasts, let loose in a woman prison make perfect practice sense. I will add that to the lists of your beliefs. Simply Classic.

[canpakes]

Cakes....Markk, your first link states that the two pregnancies resulted from consensual relationships. Sounds like someone gamed the system. : D This is hardly the national emergency that you are painting it to be.

Lol...yes I am sure it was. Having a man, who simply says he is a women, or is taking pills to grow breasts, let loose in a woman prison make perfect practice sense. I will add that to the lists of your beliefs. Simply Classic.

I’ll add to the list of your beliefs that a total of 2 pregnancies resulting from consensual relations between prisoners has you so riled up and scared that you’ll believe that it’s a reason to vote for a convicted fraudster who enjoys sexually abusing women, running memecoin scams and taking aircraft bribes.