Daunte Wright, warrant for Aggravated Battery

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Re: Daunte Wright, warrant for Aggravated Battery

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Father Francis wrote:
Sun Dec 26, 2021 7:53 am

If I make mistake in an emergency situation I lose my license and face criminal charges.
"Study Suggests Medical Errors Now Third Leading Cause of Death in the U.S."
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/me ... _in_the_us

I was simply responding to Doc's argument that "there is absolutely NO WAY a person that's even passingly familiar with their service weapon and a taser could confuse the two upon grabbing one or the other."

And here Dr. Grande explains why the jury got it wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaJdh0yZjdY
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Re: Daunte Wright, warrant for Aggravated Battery

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doubtingthomas wrote:
Sun Dec 26, 2021 8:05 pm
Father Francis wrote:
Sun Dec 26, 2021 7:53 am
If I make mistake in an emergency situation I lose my license and face criminal charges.
"Study Suggests Medical Errors Now Third Leading Cause of Death in the U.S."
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/me ... _in_the_us

I was simply responding to Doc's argument that "there is absolutely NO WAY a person that's even passingly familiar with their service weapon and a taser could confuse the two upon grabbing one or the other."

And here Dr. Grande explains why the jury got it wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaJdh0yZjdY
The first link doesn't include the actual journal paper on the study. Not a criticism, but I'd like to see that.

The second link is from a LPCMH opining on a legal matter and framing it as a mental health matter. The guy may or may not have a PhD. Can't find any confirmation of that online, but being a LPCMH only requires a Masters. Either way, the guy isn't an expert on anything legally. His opinion isn't worth any more than mine or yours on the matter.
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Father Francis wrote:
Sun Dec 26, 2021 9:26 pm

The first link doesn't include the actual journal paper on the study. Not a criticism, but I'd like to see that.
Would you agree medical errors are common?

Father Francis wrote:
Sun Dec 26, 2021 9:26 pm
Either way, the guy isn't an expert on anything legally. His opinion isn't worth any more than mine or yours on the matter,
You are right. So lets look at the evidence. Would you agree that trying to flee in your car from the cops creates a very dangerous situation?
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Re: Daunte Wright, warrant for Aggravated Battery

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doubtingthomas wrote:
Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:33 pm
Father Francis wrote:
Sun Dec 26, 2021 9:26 pm

The first link doesn't include the actual journal paper on the study. Not a criticism, but I'd like to see that.
Would you agree medical errors are common?

Father Francis wrote:
Sun Dec 26, 2021 9:26 pm
Either way, the guy isn't an expert on anything legally. His opinion isn't worth any more than mine or yours on the matter,
You are right. So lets look at the evidence. Would you agree that trying to flee in your car from the cops creates a very dangerous situation?

Yes, medical errors are common. Sentinel events are not. I'd still like to see the actual journal paper. I'd also like to point out that when I worked in group homes If I injured (or killed, look up positional asphyxiation) a violent client during a restraint I would expect criminal charges. Same thing goes for me as an RN. If I make a mistake during a code, or give the wrong med and someone is hurt or killed, I lose my license and would face prosecution and lawsuits.

Fleeing in your car has the potential of causing harm, certainly. It shouldn't necessarily be a death sentence. That being said, the officer deemed her taser to be the right choice, and instead drew her gun and killed a man. If you can't keep a level head in violent situations you have no business putting yourself in them for a living. You can see her crying on video and hear her saying "I'm gonna go to prison!" She was more worried about herself than the man she shot.
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Father Francis wrote:
Sat Jan 01, 2022 7:25 am
Fleeing in your car has the potential of causing harm, certainly. It shouldn't necessarily be a death sentence.
Yes, but several cases can be very subjective and controversial. I agree it is unlikely that Wright would have caused a fatal accident. However, there was a small chance, so Potter isn't guilty in my opinion because it is clear she didn't intend to kill anyone. If Wright wasn't trying to flee in his car then Potter's mistake wouldn't be an excuse.
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Father Francis wrote:
Sat Jan 01, 2022 7:25 am
You can see her crying on video and hear her saying "I'm gonna go to prison!" She was more worried about herself than the man she shot.
That is irrelevant, the judge shouldn't have allowed that "evidence" in Potter's trial. The judge was terrible and I hope Potter appeals.
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Would you agree there was a chance Wright could've cause a serious accident?
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doubtingthomas wrote:
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Father Francis wrote:
Sat Jan 01, 2022 7:25 am
You can see her crying on video and hear her saying "I'm gonna go to prison!" She was more worried about herself than the man she shot.
That is irrelevant, the judge shouldn't have allowed that "evidence" in Potter's trial. The judge was terrible and I hope Potter appeals.
Why shouldn't the judge have allowed the video into evidence?
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Why shouldn't the judge have allowed the video into evidence?
No, the argument that she was only "thinking about herself" and that "she didn't try to save Wright". I do not remember the exact words, but the prosecution did use that argument. It's called ad hominem.

The judge did allow for the prosecution to misstate the law and did allow the rebuttal to be longer than 30 minutes. The judge also pressured the jury by not giving them Christmas eve off.
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doubtingthomas wrote:
Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:43 pm
Jersey Girl wrote:
Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:45 am

Why shouldn't the judge have allowed the video into evidence?
No, the argument that she was only "thinking about herself" and that "she didn't try to save Wright". I do not remember the exact words, but the prosecution did use that argument. It's called ad hominem.

The judge did allow for the prosecution to misstate the law and did allow the rebuttal to be longer than 30 minutes. The judge also pressured the jury by not giving them Christmas eve off.
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