Vaccines and Therapeutics 2.0 & 3.0 Merge

[Res Ipsa]

The vaccines mostly work for what they were mostly made to do.
The vaccines do not work for what they were not made to do.

If I say the vaccines works I am 100 percent correct, even if the vaccines do not work.

Welcome to The Pandemic.

Uhh, no. The vaccines do what they do. We know some of what they do, but it will take time and study to figure out everything they do. That's especially true of changes to the virus that may or may not evolve. Equivocating on the meaning of "works" gives us no insight.

[Chap]

The vaccines mostly work for what they were mostly made to do.
The vaccines do not work for what they were not made to do.

If I say the vaccines works I am 100 percent correct, even if the vaccines do not work.

Welcome to The Pandemic.

Uhh, no. The vaccines do what they do. We know some of what they do, but it will take time and study to figure out everything they do. That's especially true of changes to the virus that may or may not evolve. Equivocating on the meaning of "works" gives us no insight.

Help me out here RI - I assume that post you cite was probably intended to make some kind of point rather than merely babbling as a means of inflicting informational white noise on the rest of us (though that is a possibility), but is so, what material point is it actually attempting to make?

[Res Ipsa]

Uhh, no. The vaccines do what they do. We know some of what they do, but it will take time and study to figure out everything they do. That's especially true of changes to the virus that may or may not evolve. Equivocating on the meaning of "works" gives us no insight.

Help me out here RI - I assume that post you cite was probably intended to make some kind of point rather than merely babbling as a means of inflicting informational white noise on the rest of us (though that is a possibility), but is so, what material point is it actually attempting to make?

Well, it's kind of postmodern in form and substance, so it could be intended to mean any number of things. Hell, it even could have been intended to say something like what I said: it depends on what you mean by "works." In my opinion, the dependance on equivocation makes it an unhelpful statement on a subject that deserves more serious treatment.

[Chap]

Thanks for the explanation RI. But when you said "Well, it's kind of postmodern in form and substance", I found myself thinking "Postmodern? That's SO last century".

[canpakes]

Uhh, no. The vaccines do what they do. We know some of what they do, but it will take time and study to figure out everything they do. That's especially true of changes to the virus that may or may not evolve. Equivocating on the meaning of "works" gives us no insight.

Help me out here RI - I assume that post you cite was probably intended to make some kind of point rather than merely babbling as a means of inflicting informational white noise on the rest of us (though that is a possibility), but is so, what material point is it actually attempting to make?

Well, it's kind of postmodern in form and substance, so it could be intended to mean any number of things. Hell, it even could have been intended to say something like what I said: it depends on what you mean by "works." In my opinion, the dependance on equivocation makes it an unhelpful statement on a subject that deserves more serious treatment.

Lol. I see what you did there.

[Jersey Girl]

Reporting in from the trenches. Apparently one of our local hospitals is not allowing adults re: parents to go back into pre-op rooms with their pediatric surgery patients re: children or meet them in recovery when they wake up either.

Yep, we're going right back where we started.

Did I mention that I'm slowly replenishing the previously stocked items around here again? All true.

[Jersey Girl]

Reporting in from the trenches. Apparently one of our local hospitals is not allowing adults re: parents to go back into pre-op rooms with their pediatric surgery patients re: children or meet them in recovery when they wake up either.

What if they are vaccinated?

So far as I can tell, it doesn't matter. I'm in some groups for local mothers, I'll watch those for any other comments.

[Jersey Girl]

ETA: I checked the hospital website. It doesn't look like it's been updated to reflect the above. Has an old set of policies regarding masking with a statement that the situation is fluid. Go figure.

[Jersey Girl]

What is more assuring to you:

• Hospital Covid policies, or;

• School Covid policies, or;

• Grocery Store Covid policies.

Why?

originally posted in the wrong thread

Which policies? State policy examples.

[Res Ipsa]

Well, it's kind of postmodern in form and substance, so it could be intended to mean any number of things. Hell, it even could have been intended to say something like what I said: it depends on what you mean by "works." In my opinion, the dependance on equivocation makes it an unhelpful statement on a subject that deserves more serious treatment.

Indeed the statement hinged on one's dependence on a single word, work. And indeed, the statement was a comment on logic and words but not so much about vaccines. The same logic can be applied to the use of a wrench for a hammer. It works as a hammer.

The vaccine is working even if it is not working. It is not working even if it is working. And if someone arrives at that conclusion they are not wrong even if we hate them and look forward to their death.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwGrC0KicSo

I very very very much recommend that video.

Let me try from another angle. The collection of statements can be true if and only if we equivocate on the meaning of the word "works." Equivocation being the logical fallacy that it is, if the statements together are logically true, they are also trivial.

Once the equivocation fallacy is cured by sticking to a single definition of the word "works," the collection of statements is false.

This is not any sort of meaningful insight. It's the equivalent of a cheap parlor trick. There is enough confusion within the general public about vaccines without throwing word games into the mix.