Systemic Racism in America Exists

[huckelberry]

Thank you sir.
https://youtu.be/7rQve0x4aNE

Atlanticmike, I did actually listen through this whole video. It presented reasonable comments without hysterics.

condensing there were four main points( he numbered them)
1power and oppression does not explain everything. There is also love and respect.
2power and priveledge is relative. A given person might have advantage in one circumstance and not another.
3lived experience is not infallible. No one is above critique. We might misunderstand wisdom as oppression.
4 If power must be overthrown then the new power must be overthrown resulting in a meaningless chaotic cycle.
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I think each of these points is true. Each of these points are important aspect of being human for all of us. In fact I have difficulty thinking that adult people are unaware of these clear facts. Now I do pause to think there may be a few overwrought adolescents shouting that forget these things. I remain fairly sure that even these people remember when they get a moment to remember themselves. They also get older with a little time.

[Chap]

We might misunderstand wisdom as oppression.

Since this is a discussion board, rather than a youtube video appreciation board could you kindly help those of us who don't follow video links to appreciate this particular point better?

For instance, given the topic of this thread, perhaps you might give us an example of how black Americans might currently be 'misunderstanding wisdom as oppression'?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

give us an example of how black Americans might currently be 'misunderstanding wisdom as oppression'?

If you do not already know the difference between wisdom and oppression then you ain't black. The answer to this question is as ugly as the question. Watch my videos.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

In one case this is how systemic racism was being dismantled, allegedly:






So, clearly how we address systemic racism, by any given faction, is the tricky part. Do we become oppressors and vigilantes by attacking whiteness as inherently evil, or do we acknowledge the past while moving into the future together, in a pragmatic and egalitarian manner? I have the feeling that leftist academia and the practical application of leftist academic ideas, such as critical race theory, are going to dominate school cultures, but I’m not sure how that works out in the long run.

- Doc

[canpakes]

So, clearly how we address systemic racism, by any given faction, is the tricky part. Do we become oppressors and vigilantes by attacking whiteness as inherently evil, or do we acknowledge the past while moving into the future together, in a pragmatic and egalitarian manner?

Just as in the worlds of religion and politics, it is healthiest to not cede ground to the extremes.

[huckelberry]

We might misunderstand wisdom as oppression.

Since this is a discussion board, rather than a youtube video appreciation board could you kindly help those of us who don't follow video links to appreciate this particular point better?

For instance, given the topic of this thread, perhaps you might give us an example of how black Americans might currently be 'misunderstanding wisdom as oppression'?

Chap , I thought I left enough clues to indicate that I thought the presentation was beating up a strawman. Yes the wisdom comment is ironic in context. Sure a parent makes limits out wisdom for a child. American white treatment of African Americans has been guilty of calling abuse wisdom more than a little bit. guilty alot.

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adding a thought. I thought that the comment about wisdom and abuse suspicious enough that I can suspect the whole presentation to be apologetics for the confederacy.

[canpakes]

In one case this is how systemic racism was being dismantled, allegedly:

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So, clearly how we address systemic racism, by any given faction, is the tricky part. Do we become oppressors and vigilantes by attacking whiteness as inherently evil, or do we acknowledge the past while moving into the future together, in a pragmatic and egalitarian manner?

Doc, this looks like Deemar v. Boad of Educaton of the City of Evanston/Skokie District 65. As you’re pointing out, the text shown are allegations and some appear - like some earlier posts in our discussion here - hyperbolic.

The article below gives a bit more context -

https://evanstonnow.com/teacher-sues-cl ... on-in-d65/

Stacy Deemar, a drama teacher in the district for nearly 20 years, filed the complaint Tuesday in U.S. District Court in Chicago. The lawsuit says District 65 policies and programs violate both the U.S. Constitution and the federal Civil Rights Act.
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The District teaches students “to hate each other,” the lawsuit states. “They teach them not only how to be racist, but that they should be racist. And the District does this by treating people differently because of their race.”
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This is not the first time Stacy Deemar has taken on the district where she works.

Documents released by her law firm, the Southeastern Legal Foundation, show that in 2019, Deemar filed a civil rights complaint with the U.S Department of Education, with some of the same allegations contained in her current litigation.

The Education Department agreed that District 65 violated federal civil rights laws, concluding that “the District engaged in intentional race dissemination” via affinity group activities segregated by race, as well as with “privilege activities,” and by having a discipline policy which included consideration of a student’s race.

An interesting case to see what comes of it, for our ‘drama’ teacher.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Canpakes,

I’m definitely pro-honesty with history with regard to what’s being taught in schools. I do think there’s a responsibility, though, with how it’s taught and how we can look at the past to be better, rather than simply take out grievances on *insert racial or ethnic group here*. We’ve been around long enough to witness what happens when scapegoats are made of any group, and it never really ends well. It’s difficult, though. History is so large, so complicated, and incredibly nuanced and intertwined. I’m not sure how, humans being humans and all, we do this the right way - a way that unites us instead of dividing us.

In a way it’s akin to how many Millennials and Zoomers regard “Boomers” being evil, entitled, and privileged. There’s so much complexity in what the Greatest, Silent, and Boomer generations had to go through, how to scrape by, that all of it gets lost in a political narrative. The hate and resentment is real, and that kind of generational anger isn’t good for the Republic.

So, yeah. It’s tricky. And critical race theory or any other kind of education that deals in the social sciences is easily exploitable by those in charge. But, I’m just in the peanut gallery wondering how this will play out.

- Doc

[Moksha]

Sounds like District 65 has gone a bit off-the-rails with their remedies.

[Gunnar]

it ought to be possible to acknowledge and address the very real and horrible injustices and suffering that past generations of White Americans have inflicted on non-white minorities without a blanket demonization of all Whites merely for being White. Not all white people were or are evil racists, nor is it true than all members of minorities were entirely blameless. I would say that the black African despots who made war on their African neighbors in order to capture defeated enemies to sell to White slave traders were every bit as evil as the European slave traders themselves, if not much more so.