Rittenhouse Trial: Calling Res Ipsa

[Jersey Girl]

Why isn’t it seen as more problematic that Rittenhouse chose to bring a rifle as opposed to a handgun, for ‘defensive’ purposes?

Because in Wisconsin it's illegal for a 16-17 year old to open carry a handgun, but it's not illegal for a 16-17 year old to open carry a rifle.

They don’t guarantee your safety through distance as a long gun would, but one would be able to better size up the immediate threat to determine if firing would be required, while not being forced to essentially carry a long gun as a defensive EDC.

"EDC" = ?

Every Day Carry. I'm guessing.

[Dr. Shades]

If you don't mind, I'd like to reply with a rhetorical question. Where was Law Enforcement?

Close by. They arrived soon afterward. With a finite number of officers, are you under the impression that unless an officer is posted at every intersection they are somehow not doing their jobs?

Hopefully something good will come from all of this. Perhaps more anti-vigilate laws should be passed to make situations like less likely. A stipulation in the existing law would be nice. Something like carrying a firearm illegally is a felony that carries harsher punishment if resulting in loss of life.

He wasn't carrying a firearm illegally.

[Jersey Girl]

If you don't mind, I'd like to reply with a rhetorical question. Where was Law Enforcement?

Close by. They arrived soon afterward. With a finite number of officers, are you under the impression that unless an officer is posted at every intersection they are somehow not doing their jobs?

I'm under no impression at all. I simply posed a rhetorical question. Stop trying to read my mind. You're no good at it.

[Dr. Shades]

The crying is suspect to me, only because he didn't seem emotional at all during the actual "traumatizing" event.

That's because he was full of adrenaline and the full gravity of the situation hadn't sunk in yet.

Close by. They arrived soon afterward. With a finite number of officers, are you under the impression that unless an officer is posted at every intersection they are somehow not doing their jobs?

I'm under no impression at all. I simply posed a rhetorical question. Stop trying to read my mind. You're no good at it.

A rhetorical question, or a literal one? If it was rhetorical, then that was my response. If it was literal, then the answer is "close by."

[Jersey Girl]

The crying is suspect to me, only because he didn't seem emotional at all during the actual "traumatizing" event.

That's because he was full of adrenaline and the full gravity of the situation hadn't sunk in yet.

I'm under no impression at all. I simply posed a rhetorical question. Stop trying to read my mind. You're no good at it.

A rhetorical question, or a literal one? If it was rhetorical, then that was my response. If it was literal, then the answer is "close by."

Some other time.

[Dr. Shades]

Isn't it illegal to use "deadly force" to defend property?

Yes. Which is why he didn't do it.

If so, then why take an AR rifle?

So he could defend his life against rioters if necessary.

If that isn't intent to use deadly girce then what is?

It's legal to intend to use deadly force in self-defense if it becomes absolutely necessary. I'm sure most human beings would agree.

I could be wrong, but my understanding was that they were trying to disarm him because shots had been fired and then they see this guy walking down the middle of the street strapped with an assault rifle. So maybe it was more like they were responding to him the way they would respond to a mass shooter at a school...?

They are the ones who fired the opening shots, and only after he was already running away.

Kyle was lucky that none of the rounds he fired hit innocent bystanders.

Yes he is. As is everyone else in human history who has ever had to fire in self-defense and not hit an innocent bystander.

They probably would've kicked the crap out of him, but i think if the guy with the gun wanted him dead he would've fired on him instead of assuming that merely aiming it at him would make him surrender.

Maybe Grosskreutz really did want Rittenhouse dead but Rittenhouse was simply quicker to fire.

The judge should recuse himself, if that is even possible.

Why?

[K Graham]

Yes. Which is why he didn't do it.

On the contrary, he stated his purpose was to defend private property and he intended to do so with an assault rifle. That's intent to use deadly force to do something the law prohibits. But he didn't defend the property, he left, and then lied about being an EMT. He should have gone home. But he instead walked right into the middle of the chaos because he was looking for trouble.

So he could defend his life against rioters if necessary.

That's bs.

It's legal to intend to use deadly force in self-defense if it becomes absolutely necessary. I'm sure most human beings would agree.

You're circumventing the point, which is his intent in bringing an assault rifle for the stated purpose of "protecting private property." If he wasn't going to use the AR to protect the property, then how could he defend it? Did he intend to glamour the rioters with his baby face/puss-in-boots eyes?

They are the ones who fired the opening shots, and only after he was already running away.

Who is "they"? We don't know where those shots came from or where they were going and in the chaos it is likely no one else did either. But only Kyle was openly brandishing an assault rifle and then walking down the middle of the street as if to say, "Hey everyone look at me I'm a badass you should fear."

Yes he is. As is everyone else in human history who has ever had to fire in self-defense and not hit an innocent bystander.

Which only adds to the carelessness of his actions. He wants to pretend to be a tough guy, but only when armed to the teeth and trigger happy.

Maybe Grosskreutz really did want Rittenhouse dead but Rittenhouse was simply quicker to fire.

No evidence of this. He never fired his weapon at him despite getting the drop on him. Most people carrying weapons do so because they think that alone will end hostilities. Kyle fired without remorse because he's mentally disturbed, possibly a sociopath. Hell he even told his Mom that he needed therapy.

Why?

Because his extreme political leanings clearly compromise his judgment. Merely voting for Trump doesn't necessarily make one an extremist, but having the MAGA song set as your ring tone suggests a special kind of devotion to the Trump cult.

Trump wouldn't even accept the ruling from a judge because of his Mexican heritage. But we're supposed to believe a textbook, quintessential Trump supporter serving as a judge is going to be impartial in a high profile case that has had FOX News pushing around the clock commentary since day one?

[K Graham]

He wasn't carrying a firearm illegally.

'Perfectly legal' for Rittenhouse to carry a gun? False

[Chap]

This entire thread leads me to ask - Please remind me how it makes America a better place to live in that people can wander round the streets with loaded guns, just whenever they think it might be a good idea.

So that people can defend themselves when under attack in the streets.

Yes indeed. And of course because someone who attacks you in the street may well be doing so with the loaded gun that they have the right to carry around with them, you definitely need to have a loaded gun yourself to defend yourself.

It all makes really good sense. But next time I am in the States, though, I think I shall carry a flamethrower, since that is much more effective against an attacking crowd, which I what I can probably expect when I get out of the taxi from the airport ... As a famous general once said "you gotta get there firstest with the mostest if you want to win".

[ajax18]

I'm not sure how anyone can have any faith in the US criminal justice system being more than a politically partisan arm of the Democratic party and mainstream media. This case should never have went to trial. This prosecutor should be disbarred. Kyle Rittenhouse will be and should be a millionaire once the truth leaks out and the accusations made by the mainstream media and deep pockets people like Joe Scarbourough that he is a white supremacist out hunting rioters proves false. I wonder why Grosscreutz was allowed to carry a pistol and point it at people running away while being out past curfew in a violent BLM protest? The two tiered justice system based on ones political party, race, and ethnic origin is on full display. There is systemic racism in the justice department. It's systemic reverse racism and it has been this way much longer than any of you in your bubble realize.