Guns in America

[Atlanticmike]

I notice none of the trolling responses have addressed this issue. The charts make it clear there are very, very few instances of defensive use of a gun, but the video clip fanatic seems to have found them all. How can you have a conversation with all the chaff rolling around?? anyway, the Smart gun program has a lot of potential I think, but that would take a very long time to be fully effective.

(I'm sorry your thread about your friend got run over by the troll brigade. You, and they, deserve better.)

The funny thing is the NRA types should be embracing this, but they don't. They hate the idea of the smart gun, even though it preserves their right to bear arms. The primary purpose is to ensure ONLY THE RIGHTFUL OWNER of the weapon can fire it. Not a criminal, not a toddler, not someone with suicidal tendencies. Who in their right mind would be opposed to something like this?

Absolutely nothing wrong with smart guns. I have biometric safes in my house. They can hold up to 40 finger prints allowing multiple people access. What are your plans for the 400 million guns are already in America that aren't smart guns?

[K Graham]

The funny thing is the NRA types should be embracing this, but they don't. They hate the idea of the smart gun, even though it preserves their right to bear arms. The primary purpose is to ensure ONLY THE RIGHTFUL OWNER of the weapon can fire it. Not a criminal, not a toddler, not someone with suicidal tendencies. Who in their right mind would be opposed to something like this?

Absolutely nothing wrong with smart guns. I have biometric safes in my house. They can hold up to 40 finger prints allowing multiple people access. What are your plans for the 400 million guns are already in America that aren't smart guns?

If every gun produced today is a smart gun then those will eventually be phased out. It is a process that will take decades, maybe centuries, but it can happen if we get the ball rolling now. Hell, I'd even be OK with AR-15's if I was assured ONLY THE REGISTERED OWNER could fire it.

The point of agreement is that bad people kill.

So... lets get those people away from guns. Violent criminals shouldn't be allowed to ever own a gun again. If they can have their right to vote removed, they should have the right to guns removed too.

[doubtingthomas]

These people aren’t raping and murdering their way across America - they’re actually killing themselves off in droves.

Alcohol can be blamed for thousands of vehicle crashes every year. And "approximately one-half of all sexual assault victims report that they were drinking alcohol at the time of the assault"
https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications ... 43-51.htms

Alcohol kills more people than guns do. You can't be a serious advocate for gun control when you support alcohol consumption.

[doubtingthomas]

So... lets get those people away from guns. Violent criminals shouldn't be allowed to ever own a gun again.

Would you feel the same about alcohol? Permanently suspending driver's licenses and making alcohol consumption illegal for those who were caught drinking and driving?

[Res Ipsa]

These people aren’t raping and murdering their way across America - they’re actually killing themselves off in droves.

Alcohol can be blamed for thousands of vehicle crashes every year. And "approximately one-half of all sexual assault victims report that they were drinking alcohol at the time of the assault"
https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications ... 43-51.htms

Alcohol kills more people than guns do. You can't be a serious advocate for gun control when you support alcohol consumption.

Why not?

[doubtingthomas]

For sure. Out of the blue, you suggested that I agreed that we need stricter gun control laws.

Jesus Christ! I asked you, " So would you agree the US needs stricter gun control laws? ".

Let me try again, would you support a high-capacity magazine ban?

[doubtingthomas]

Why not?

Doc said on page 4, "This is the level of empathy who love their guns more than they love their fellow man."

I just wanted to point out the double standard. He doesn't care about his fellow man when it comes to alcohol and coffee.

[K Graham]

So... lets get those people away from guns. Violent criminals shouldn't be allowed to ever own a gun again.

Would you feel the same about alcohol? Permanently suspending driver's licenses and making alcohol consumption illegal for those who were caught drinking and driving?

I would only support that in cases with repeat offenders who have taken a life. But alcohol doesn't cause violent behavior most of the time and it certainly doesn't cause rape. That's just something people choose to do, while blaming alcohol. I started drinking a few years ago and my wife says she actually likes me when I'm drunk.

She says I'm the sweetest man alive during those moments.

[Res Ipsa]

Why not?

Doc said on page 4, "This is the level of empathy who love their guns more than they love their fellow man."

I just wanted to point out the double standard. He doesn't care about his fellow man when it comes to alcohol and coffee.

Thanks. Don't you think that's an odd way to put the issue.

RI: I love my fellow man
DT: Alcohol and coffee cause some people suffering and death.
RI: I love my fellow man, except I have no love for my fellow man when I'm drinking a beer.

Life is complicated and people are complicated. Absolutes belong only in logic class. Well, mostly.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Doc said on page 4, "This is the level of empathy who love their guns more than they love their fellow man."

I just wanted to point out the double standard. He doesn't care about his fellow man when it comes to alcohol and coffee.

Thanks. Don't you think that's an odd way to put the issue.

RI: I love my fellow man
DT: Alcohol and coffee cause some people suffering and death.
RI: I love my fellow man, except I have no love for my fellow man when I'm drinking a beer.

Life is complicated and people are complicated. Absolutes belong only in logic class. Well, mostly.

Does leaving a beer out on your coffee table result in a toddler’s violent death? It’s absolutely amazing to me how easily some folks resort to rhetoric because they don’t understand how levying violence either intentionally or through neglect isn’t a god-given right. The data ref gun deaths doesn’t lie. It’s a violence-using-guns issue.

Also, take the misdirection of aUtO dEaThS. If you get into an honest accident it’s unlikely you’ll face heavy consequences. Use the auto irresponsibly, or criminally, and the penalties increase. damned smooth brains …

- Doc