Cops are awesome people!!

[doubtingthomas]

So you think cops are bad but marshals are good?

Yes, cops are bad.

https://youtu.be/DvFU_gcQenI?t=1365

[Chap]

So you think cops are bad but marshals are good?

Yes, cops are bad.

https://youtu.be/DvFU_gcQenI?t=1365

And, of course, the people are good.

[K Graham]

A former North Carolina police chief accused of faking his suicide to avoid prosecution was found and arrested in South Carolina

Awesome!

[Atlanticmike]

https://youtu.be/OYoS6ONlK-8

Newark cops save little girls life

[K Graham]

https://youtu.be/OYoS6ONlK-8

Newark cops save little girls life

That was four years ago acting as a paramedic. I can list recent examples of cops being worthless pieces of crap every damn day ...

North Carolina cop is arrested after 'trying to sell 56 grams of cocaine for $2,600 while in uniform and sitting in his police car'

Seventh Circuit: No Immunity For Chicago Cop Who Lied To A Judge Before Accidentally Raiding The Right Apartment

Thanks for reminding me about this thread. Gonna make sure you regret posting it for a long time.

[Atlanticmike]

https://youtu.be/OYoS6ONlK-8

Newark cops save little girls life

That was four years ago acting as a paramedic. I can list recent examples of cops being worthless pieces of crap every damn day ...

North Carolina cop is arrested after 'trying to sell 56 grams of cocaine for $2,600 while in uniform and sitting in his police car'

Seventh Circuit: No Immunity For Chicago Cop Who Lied To A Judge Before Accidentally Raiding The Right Apartment

Thanks for reminding me about this thread. Gonna make sure you regret posting it for a long time.

The only regret I have is not finding this board sooner!

[Gunnar]

There is a glaring omission in this, which is the effects, both real and perceived, of having the East Precinct overrun in 2020. Maybe it was no big deal, maybe it was a big deal. Maybe it was a form of de-escalation, maybe it was just plain ass stupid. No question that it led to a lot of chaos, and people died. I have a hard time believing that this happened solely because of Proud Boys. And like it or not, cops were correct to assume that the city council and many of the citizens did not have their backs, and that moving to the suburbs or Boise was a better move for their family.

Cops have families. They have kids. They have lives. It is likely that they could not afford to live in Seattle on a cop's income, so, if they could live outside of Seattle, take the signing bonus, reduce risk and eliminate the commute - they should. Seattle PD is probably struggling to get good cops to come to their department and put up with some B.S.. And, the stench and sting, real or not, of what happened in 2020 will linger for a long time.

I have some very strong opinions on this issue, so if I sound riled up, it isn't directed specifically at you.

The East Precinct was not "overrun." The fact that you chose to use that term perfectly symbolizes everything wrong with the propaganda machine that right-wing media has chosen to become. It took a year and a formal investigation to determine exactly what happened, and this is a pretty good account: https://www.kuow.org/stories/we-know-White House ... er-finally.

For completely understandable reasons, the SPD created a tinderbox that was on the verge of killing and injuring citizens who weren't engaging in violence or destruction of property. By blocking the streets, it created a bottleneck that resulted in crowds that the SPD was not able to control using standard methods of crowd control. Instead of understanding what it had done, the SPD created an "Alamo," then chose defending the Alamo as the hill to die on. Luckily, a person with authority within the SPD recognized the barricaded precinct had become a hill that innocent people were going to die on, and chose to de-escalate the situation rather than triple down on defending the Alamo. It was exactly the right thing to do, placing public safety ahead of defending a building.

That left Seattle with what should have been a problem to solve, which, given the opportunity, could have been done. Instead, Trump and the right-wing media seized on what happened and inflamed what should have been treated as a problem to solve into an ideological war. They absolutely made the situation here worse by inflaming the right and pissing off the left. They treated Andy what's his name as some kind of truth teller instead of the actual lying POS that he is. That is the actual "stench and sting" of 2020 -- the political opportunism of Donald Trump and the right-wing propaganda machine that, in reality, don't give a flying anything about Seattle. So, to put it politely as I can, piss off with your moral lecture about what went on here.

The SPD and the police union did themselves no favors by making false and misleading statements to the public. Or by unnecessary use of force that led to a federal court injunction that they then violated and were held in contempt of court. https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/ ... -clean.pdf. Or by engaging in this kind of juvenile crap: https://www.knkx.org/law/2022-01-05/sea ... tion-finds (taunting protesters by faking an attack threat from the Proud Boys).

Here's a news flash, Binger. Everyone has families, kids and lives. Even the idiot anarchists who break windows and set fires. The police are the ones who sign up to serve and protect. And that's not serve and protect themselves. That's serve and protect the public. And I support them in doing that job. And that starts with paying them more, training them better, and providing them with support such as mental health services, etc. to help them do a very difficult job. But I also expect them not to lie to me and not to pull juvenile pranks out of spite. I expect them to get rid of their bad apples, not cover for them. And, unlike the people who give lip service to "backing the blue" right up until it's time to pay their taxes, I am willing to pay for what I expect. Anyone can fly a flag or wear a t-shirt. I'll put my money where my mouth is.

So, in as kind a way as I am able, piss off and take care of your own problems instead of making ours worse.

Thanks for your invaluable and rational efforts to clear up and correct so much of the rampant mis and disinformation flying around. No one does it better than you!

And thanks also to Binger for showing enough honesty and open mindedness to take you seriously and reexamine his apparent "presuppositions" and acknowledge that he might not have had the complete and true facts of the situation.

[K Graham]

Sorry I missed yesterday's update. Here is what's been happening the past couple of days in "Cops are Awesome."

Ex-Philadelphia Cop Charged In Beating Of Now-Exonerated Man Who Spent 11 Years In Prison

A former Colorado police officer who was accused of breaking an elderly woman's arm during an arrest has agreed to a plea deal

Philadelphia cop charged with perjury in coerced confession

Ex-Officer in Colorado Pleads Guilty to Assaulting Woman With Dementia

Former Lawrence police officer arrested on suspicion of rape, multiple other crimes

Updated: Transylvania University police officer suspended after rape indictment

Hialeah cop pleads guilty to forcing women into sex. He faces up to 3 years in prison

Chicago cop allegedly kicked by couple during arrest at O'Hare Airport

Ex-Hamtramck cop charged with bribery