Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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Themis wrote:
Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:31 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:53 pm
I don't think there's any mystery as to why Putin waited until after the Trump presidency to invade. Trump gave every opportunity for Putin to stage and get ready for an invasion. Then, as a campaign promise for a second term, he promised to withdraw the US from NATO. With UN unable to act because of Russia's Security Council veto and the U.S. out of the major military organization in the area, Putin would face little, if any, organized opposition. Trump would have sidelined the U.S.
I agree Putin was hoping for another Trump term that could bring down NATO and with it any real opposition to Russian expansion in eastern Europe. It didn't happen so now we see how quickly he is going after Ukraine. I suspect Putin will try and Get Trump to run again, since the destruction of NATO is one of his highest goals. Trump would be broke without Putin, so he owes him everything. He couldn't get a loan to save his little empire, so there is no way those Russian loans came without conditions.
Hey, uh, Hi Themis. Howdy. It is 2022 and Russia is attacking Ukraine. Just thought I would let you know, since it appears you missed that last 40 years of Joe Biden playing fart football in a bed with Ukrainian/Russian Oligarchs.

Nice to meet you, finally.
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I thought it might be a good idea to post what's coming directly out of the white house regarding sanctions and statements. Transcripts of speeches are also available. I'm just linking to the sanctions piece:

2/22/22

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... on-russia/


I think we can expect add-on sanctions from today. Will link them here or just keep watching the White House website if it's of interest.
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It’s because we trade short-sighted “wins” for stable and sustained outcomes. It’s because we’re always just a few years away from a “just kidding, we’re now doing this” towards allies and aggressors.
That's true. Xi Ping and Putin can afford to play the longterm game. They won't be voted out of office.
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Trump would have sidelined the U.S.
And what exactly are Biden's handlers going to do? NOTHING
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If you want to get at the heart of the with regard to the Right’s low-key support for Russia, this is from Reddit, and is reflective of the broader conservosphere (it also explains their desire to follow theough on the FoG’s balkanization of the US):
Russia overtaking Ukraine would help solidify their greatness and would help topple Western power.

But what if China overtakes Taiwan?

What exactly is stopping Russia and China from flexing? Two world powers increasing in power. I hope they succeed. Anything but leftist wokism, please.

I for one, am glad that Western power is in decline. The West committed suicide when it decided to go woke.
And now we will see that the people we would typically expect to stand up and defend the west are so dejected and demoralized that they will not have the will to fight.

If you are Western European or American, what are you defending? Look at how degenerate Western culture has become.
Russians and Chinese people are proud of their nations and yearn for glory and world dominance. Meanwhile, in the US, the people yearn to make Tik Tok videos.

Democracy will not last long. I pray for its demise. 99% of people who lived before 1800 would be labeled a right wing extremist today.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:51 pm
If you want to get at the heart of the with regard to the Right’s low-key support for Russia, this is from Reddit, and is reflective of the broader conservaphere (it also explains their desire to follow theough on the FoG’s balkanization of the US):
Russia overtaking Ukraine would help solidify their greatness and would help topple Western power.

But what if China overtakes Taiwan?

What exactly is stopping Russia and China from flexing? Two world powers increasing in power. I hope they succeed. Anything but leftist wokism, please.

I for one, am glad that Western power is in decline. The West committed suicide when it decided to go woke.
And now we will see that the people we would typically expect to stand up and defend the west are so dejected and demoralized that they will not have the will to fight.

If you are Western European or American, what are you defending? Look at how degenerate Western culture has become.
Russians and Chinese people are proud of their nations and yearn for glory and world dominance. Meanwhile, in the US, the people yearn to make Tik Tok videos.

Democracy will not last long. I pray for its demise. 99% of people who lived before 1800 would be labeled a right wing extremist today.
- Doc
The right is currently disenfranchised. It doesn't matter what we think much less what we might want. I personally don't want to live under the control of Putin. But I don't want to live under Bernie Sanders either. Explain to me exactly why I should risk life and limb to support either of these would be communist dictators.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:51 pm
If you want to get at the heart of the with regard to the Right’s low-key support for Russia, this is from Reddit, and is reflective of the broader conservosphere (it also explains their desire to follow theough on the FoG’s balkanization of the US):
Russia overtaking Ukraine would help solidify their greatness and would help topple Western power.

But what if China overtakes Taiwan?

What exactly is stopping Russia and China from flexing? Two world powers increasing in power. I hope they succeed. Anything but leftist wokism, please.

I for one, am glad that Western power is in decline. The West committed suicide when it decided to go woke.
And now we will see that the people we would typically expect to stand up and defend the west are so dejected and demoralized that they will not have the will to fight.

If you are Western European or American, what are you defending? Look at how degenerate Western culture has become.
Russians and Chinese people are proud of their nations and yearn for glory and world dominance. Meanwhile, in the US, the people yearn to make Tik Tok videos.

Democracy will not last long. I pray for its demise. 99% of people who lived before 1800 would be labeled a right wing extremist today.
- Doc
Well I don't know jack but I think there's something to what that person said particularly that bit about Americans and their Tik Tok videos as a symbol of what this country has become. Let's say a world war really does break out (which is feasible) and the U.S. ends up reinstituting the draft. IMHO we'd be fkd good and proper.

But don't go by me.
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ajax18 wrote:
Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:39 pm
Trump would have sidelined the U.S.
And what exactly are Biden's handlers going to do? NOTHING
It is unfair and defamatory of you to claim that Biden is doing nothing. It is far more than Trump would have done had he legitimately won the election. It is blazingly obvious that Trump approves of almost everything that Putin has done or is trying to do. It is also blazingly obvious that Trump encouraged and approved of any and all of Putin's attempts to interfere in meddling in U.S. elections for Trump's benefit, including creating and promulgating disinformation designed to discredit Trump's political opponents (whether or not he actually solicited or actively colluded in that support). In my carefully considered opinion Trump ranks as one of the greatest traitors to our nation and American democracy itself since Benedict Arnold. I am deeply saddened and disgusted that you have allowed yourself to become so delusional and/or bigoted that you fail to see that, despite all the overwhelmingly supporting evidence, and/or actually seem to approve of the imminent demise of American democracy.

Trump is basically one of the greatest and most successful con-artists in human history!
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The right is currently disenfranchised. It doesn't matter what we think much less what we might want. I personally don't want to live under the control of Putin. But I don't want to live under Bernie Sanders either. Explain to me exactly why I should risk life and limb to support either of these would be communist dictators.
Nobody asked you to risk life and limb, rather the opposite, I asked you to fatten yourself with riches: with oil and aluminum related stocks / commodity futures you should have bought with your expert understanding of how a sitting president directly affects the economy in no uncertain terms. You should be a multi-millionaire with all you claim to know. Instead, you're crying at the pump, a helpless victim. Admit it, you don't know what you're talking about. You can always lie just like the last president and other world leaders you idolize and talk about how fat you've gotten off of Bidenflation. Why not lie? Trump would.
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Gunnar wrote:
Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:18 pm
… including creating and promulgating disinformation designed to discredit Trump's political opponents.

… and, while attempting to withhold aid and weapons to Ukraine unless Ukraine cooperated with that disingenuous aim.
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