The Real Reason why Trump won

[Vēritās]

1.Crime and a lost support for law enforcement.

Crime was higher under Trump. Full stop. The data is indisputable. Failing "support for law enforcement" was always a right wing meme pushed by right wing propaganda. For crying out loud, Kamala Harris was a prosecutor and her opponent is a convicted felon.

2. The Border issues

Illegal border crossings hit a 12 year high under Trump. He did nothing to curb the problem when he was President. He tried all sorts of stunts with executive orders but they were deemed unconstitutional (surprise!) and didn't work. He eventually admitted that it was a problem only Congress could solve and begged them to pass a border bill to address asylum. A bipartisan bill was on the verge of being passed after Biden actually got it done, but it didn't pass because Trump jumped in and urged his Republicans to reject the bill because he needed an ongoing border crisis to campaign on, proving that the problem was never really an emergency but rather a political prop.

a. who is coming over, and how

Data proves that those crossing illegally were more likely to be deported under Biden than under Trump. If you don't believe me, just as the CATO Institute.

b. drugs, which are killing scores of Americans every day.

Another right wing lie. Fentanyl trafficking skyrocketed and peaked under Trump and he did nothing to stop it. https://www.newsweek.com/fentanyl-surge ... en-1678532

c. Human trafficking

You'll have to be more specific, and address the fact that whatever metric your using, it was just as high or much higher under Trump than Biden.

3. Trade

Another idiotic talking point pushed by Trump, who doesn't even understand how tariffs work.

4. Fossil fuel and oil production/jobs and lower prices at the pump

We're producing more oil under Biden than at any other time in history.

5. Women's right is sports

Translation, fearmongering about trans people and their surgeries, which happened under Trump just as much as they happened under Biden, but didn't become a talking point until right wing propaganda told you what you needed to be afraid of now that a Democrat is in office.

6. Keeping us out of wars

Trump did more to jeopardize peace than any President since Bush.


7. Bring back and strengthen Manufacturing

Manufacturing experienced a recession under Trump, and a boom under Biden.


8. Reduce Government waste

A meaningless talking point that is really just a cover for "smaller government." What could possibly be more wasteful than appointing your friends and family to high paying government positions based on zero qualifications, zero experience but absolute loyalty?

9. Reduce inflation

10 points for the first person who can explain what Trump will do to reduce inflation, which has been dropping like a rock since Biden signed the inflation reduction act. And I'm not asking for a "concept of a plan."


10. Cyber security

Oh brother...

[Markk]

1.Crime and a lost support for law enforcement.

Crime was higher under Trump. Full stop. The data is indisputable. Failing "support for law enforcement" was always a right wing meme pushed by right wing propaganda. For crying out loud, Kamala Harris was a prosecutor and her opponent is a convicted felon.

2. The Border issues

Illegal border crossings hit a 12 year high under Trump. He did nothing to curb the problem when he was President. He tried all sorts of stunts with executive orders but they were deemed unconstitutional (surprise!) and didn't work. He eventually admitted that it was a problem only Congress could solve and begged them to pass a border bill to address asylum. A bipartisan bill was on the verge of being passed after Biden actually got it done, but it didn't pass because Trump jumped in and urged his Republicans to reject the bill because he needed an ongoing border crisis to campaign on, proving that the problem was never really an emergency but rather a political prop.

a. who is coming over, and how

Data proves that those crossing illegally were more likely to be deported under Biden than under Trump. If you don't believe me, just as the CATO Institute.

b. drugs, which are killing scores of Americans every day.

Another right wing lie. Fentanyl trafficking skyrocketed and peaked under Trump and he did nothing to stop it. https://www.newsweek.com/fentanyl-surge ... en-1678532

c. Human trafficking

You'll have to be more specific, and address the fact that whatever metric your using, it was just as high or much higher under Trump than Biden.

3. Trade

Another idiotic talking point pushed by Trump, who doesn't even understand how tariffs work.

4. Fossil fuel and oil production/jobs and lower prices at the pump

We're producing more oil under Biden than at any other time in history.

5. Women's right is sports

Translation, fearmongering about trans people and their surgeries, which happened under Trump just as much as they happened under Biden, but didn't become a talking point until right wing propaganda told you what you needed to be afraid of now that a Democrat is in office.

6. Keeping us out of wars

Trump did more to jeopardize peace than any President since Bush.


7. Bring back and strengthen Manufacturing

Manufacturing experienced a recession under Trump, and a boom under Biden.


8. Reduce Government waste

A meaningless talking point that is really just a cover for "smaller government." What could possibly be more wasteful than appointing your friends and family to high paying government positions based on zero qualifications, zero experience but absolute loyalty?

9. Reduce inflation

10 points for the first person who can explain what Trump will do to reduce inflation, which has been dropping like a rock since Biden signed the inflation reduction act. And I'm not asking for a "concept of a plan."


10. Cyber security

Oh brother...

Focus, right or wrong these are legitimate campaign subjects...right? That is what you asked. We can debate them individually tell the cows come home, but these are subjects that folks care about, I certainly do.

This is one reason why the left lost, and is, losing. These are real subjects that can and should be discussed. All you are doing is toeing talking points, that failed your party or ideology squarely.

[canpakes]

It’s amazing that this is even a talking point. We defeated the Axis powers in WWII under the leadership of a man in a wheelchair.

If we, as a nation, need to believe that ‘masculinity’ is a requirement for leadership, and then believe that a soft, pale, sexual abuser who relies on orange makeup is our symbol of masculinity because he bullies people on social media media, then we are truly a nation headed into the real-life example of Idiocracy.

Believe it or not, deny what happened, but the appeal to masculinity worked.

Oh, I know that it worked. That doesn’t keep the whole idea from being incredibly stupid, much more so than corduroys, eating Tide Pods or buying high-heeled sneakers ever could be.

And it’s far more dangerous to the American Experiment, at that.

[Gadianton]

Are you telling me these are not important issues. Well, how so?.

No, I said your list is delusional. You're just making up a bunch of stuff you think is important, and then saying this is Trump's stated platform, and assume he has the means, the plan, the cabinet, the intentions and the willpower to bring it all about. To the extent listed items resemble anything actually stated by Trump or MAGA, it's highly selective.

What's wrong with this list? were these things not important for Germany?

-We demand the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the right of self-determination of peoples.
-We demand equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations; abrogation of the peace treaties of Versailles and St. Germain
-Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest, and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.
-The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen.
-We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens.
-All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
-The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically.
-Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.
-In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people.

[Vēritās]

Focus, right or wrong these are legitimate campaign subjects...right?

No, a legitimate issue is something that can be reasonably argued that was better under Trump or could be better under Trump.

You're spouting off a bunch of talking points and trigger issues Right Wing Propaganda has told you you're supposed to be upset and concerned about. Half of the stuff you listed doesn't even show up in surveys in the top 10 things Americans are concerned about.

[Bond]

Turnout is at almost 155m. I think it's going to come down to a couple million voted by expanded vote by mail in 2020 who normally wouldn't have along with a couple million who stayed home. That coupled with a couple million who switched parties because of inflation and Trump's magic (for lack of a better word at this point) explains this election. The continued demographic changes didn't matter because Trump made inroads with men of basically all ethnicities. A majority of the people in this country think it's headed in the wrong direction and they voted for the out party.

[Markk]

Focus, right or wrong these are legitimate campaign subjects...right?

No, a legitimate issue is something that can be reasonably argued that was better under Trump or could be better under Trump.

You're spouting off a bunch of talking points and trigger issues Right Wing Propaganda has told you you're supposed to be upset and concerned about. Half of the stuff you listed doesn't even show up in surveys in the top 10 things Americans are concerned about.

LOL, as an example are things like crime and the border legitimate campaign issues? The Mayor of NY wants help because illegal immigration and crime, is hurting NY citizens,

https://abc7ny.com/post/new-york-ctiy-m ... /15620163/

[Markk]

Are you telling me these are not important issues. Well, how so?.

No, I said your list is delusional. You're just making up a bunch of stuff you think is important, and then saying this is Trump's stated platform, and assume he has the means, the plan, the cabinet, the intentions and the willpower to bring it all about. To the extent listed items resemble anything actually stated by Trump or MAGA, it's highly selective.

What's wrong with this list? were these things not important for Germany?

-We demand the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the right of self-determination of peoples.
-We demand equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations; abrogation of the peace treaties of Versailles and St. Germain
-Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest, and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.
-The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen.
-We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens.
-All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
-The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically.
-Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.
-In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people.

How am i just making this stuff up? I think those things are every important.

I certainly hope he has the means and the folks to help straighten things out, don't you?

[Dwight]

I certainly hope he has the means and the folks to help straighten things out, don't you?

Democrats and people that vote for Democrats tend to put the country before politics. On the other hand see Nixon and the Chennault Affair, Reagan and the Iranian hostages (nothing definitive I will admit), Trump and the recent border bill, Trump and January 6th.

[Vēritās]

LOL, as an example are things like crime and the border legitimate campaign issues?

You're missing the point. Both the border and crime issues were improved under the Biden administration. So what is there for Trump to campaign on? Nothing buy lies. Gaslight the country and continue pressing these "concerning issues" that were worse under Trump, but never seemed to concerning as long as your guy was in office.

A legitimate issue is one that is addressed honestly. "Elect me and I'll give you the higher crime rates that existed during my last year in office?"

"Elect me and I will continue to make empty promises about stopping illegal immigration, creating a border wall, etc?"