85.2%

[Gunnar]

Robert F. Kennedy's (Trump's pick to head the Health Dept) staff is petitioning to revoke the approval of the polio vaccine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/16/us/p ... marks.html

This is stupid and potentially life-threatening! How did the son of RFK and nephew of JFK become such an ill-informed crackpot and conspiracy theorist?

[Gunnar]

Hound, here’s a link to the 2024 Democratic Party platform. If there are troublesome elements within it, it may be more practical to discuss them from the standpoint of the current platform rather than refer to a version from 36 years ago.

Honestly, can anyone here find anything offensive or truly objectionable about that platform? I sure can't! I see nothing but admirable points of which any rational and moral person, especially a Christian who truly believes in and follows the teachings of Jesus, should heartily approve.

[Dr Exiled]

RFK Jr. says he's not against the polio vaccine and wants to make sure other vaccines are properly tested. That shouldn't be controversial except to those that may lose some money. Also, there is unquestionably a rise in obesity and chronic disease in the US. Perhaps pesticides and food additives that are banned elsewhere are the cause. Again, it shouldn't be controversial except to food company profits.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/cuomo-sho ... on-lawyer/

by the way, roundup likely causes cancer and yet it has been widely used in the US.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/rfk-jr-ex ... up/5824462

[Hound of Heaven]

I think they would have done better had they been more clearly progressive
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Progressivismis centered on a strong hatred for white men. That’s not going to win elections in the future.

If anything, they currently represent too small a segment of the overall party.

My primary inquiry is how we can progress as a party to overcome MAGA while ensuring we do not present ourselves as a party that opposes men who embody traditional masculinity. After reflecting on this for the past six weeks, I genuinely believe that the Democratic Party's most significant issue in the recent election was, and continues to be, their contempt for traditional masculinity. We hold a core disagreement regarding the extent of influence the progressive movement ought to exert on the Democratic Party's platform, as well as on the ways they impact America's moral practices.

At its essence, progressivism dismisses the concept of the natural man and seeks to reshape the definition of what it means to be a man. Progressivism views the natural man as a barrier to a secure and joyful society. Over the past 15 years, progressivism has sought to persuade America that white men are among the most problematic individuals in society, suggesting that if they were to change their behavior, life would significantly improve for everyone in the country.

Progressivism erred significantly by attempting to uplift minorities through the denigration of white men. Their strategy backfired significantly, resulting in every minority group in America casting their votes for the 78-year-old white man instead of the black woman in this election. Trump made gains in every category possible, percentage-wise, except for black women, if I'm not mistaken.

In straightforward terms, minorities turned away from Progressivism in this election due to their exhaustion with the hate and intolerance that the movement relies on for its advancement. Enhancing Progressivism, as you have proposed, will only worsen the challenges the Democratic Party is confronting in 2028.

Can Progressivism endure in the future if it is centered on dismantling the lives and values of white men? Can you demonstrate that contemporary data progressivism is not centered on undermining white men in order to elevate minorities?

[canpakes]

Also, there is unquestionably a rise in obesity and chronic disease in the US. Perhaps pesticides and food additives that are banned elsewhere are the cause.

It’s probably the calories.

[Molok]

At its essence, progressivism dismisses the concept of the natural man and seeks to reshape the definition of what it means to be a man. Progressivism views the natural man as a barrier to a secure and joyful society. Over the past 15 years, progressivism has sought to persuade America that white men are among the most problematic individuals in society, suggesting that if they were to change their behavior, life would significantly improve for everyone in the country.

Progressivism erred significantly by attempting to uplift minorities through the denigration of white men. Their strategy backfired significantly, resulting in every minority group in America casting their votes for the 78-year-old white man instead of the black woman in this election. Trump made gains in every category possible, percentage-wise, except for black women, if I'm not mistaken.

I am a white man. I would guess I am easily the most progressive person on this board. I have never once felt ostracized for just being a white man. Maybe that's because I have no ego attached to my race, because I am not a racist. by the way, what % of mass shootings are carried out by white men, and would you describe that as "problematic"?

[Dr Exiled]

Also, there is unquestionably a rise in obesity and chronic disease in the US. Perhaps pesticides and food additives that are banned elsewhere are the cause.

It’s probably the calories.

Could be both. How about we find out regardless of whether the corporate advertisers win or lose. These chemicals could be stimulating overeating.

[canpakes]

It’s probably the calories.

Could be both. How about we find out regardless of whether the corporate advertisers win or lose. These chemicals could be stimulating overeating.

Don’t forget about the other ‘c’ items:

- Commercials
- Capitalism
- Culture

Mainly, it’s the calories, though.

[canpakes]

Progressivism erred significantly by attempting to uplift minorities through the denigration of white men.

This Fox News talking point is all the rage amongst conservatives, but can you point to actual real-world instances where white men have been economically and socially damaged - in any way - by this claimed denigration of them?

Maybe point to some Democratic Party platform item that encourages this?

The guy stepping into the White House next month spent hundreds of millions of dollars on advertisements denigrating folks such as immigrants, accusing them of poisoning the blood of our country, and even repeating - in a national debate broadcast to the entire country - that immigrants are ‘eating the pets’.

It would appear that denigration by Republicans has worked very well for Republicans.

Anyway, Trump won because of “the groceries”. He said so himself. : D

[Hound of Heaven]

Progressivism erred significantly by attempting to uplift minorities through the denigration of white men.

This Fox News talking point is all the rage amongst conservatives, but can you point to actual real-world instances where white men have been economically and socially damaged - in any way - by this claimed denigration of them?

Maybe point to some Democratic Party platform item that encourages this?

The guy stepping into the White House next month spent hundreds of millions of dollars on advertisements denigrating folks such as immigrants, accusing them of poisoning the blood of our country, and even repeating - in a national debate broadcast to the entire country - that immigrants are ‘eating the pets’.

It would appear that denigration by Republicans has worked very well for Republicans.

Anyway, Trump won because of “the groceries”. He said so himself. : D

You seem to be missing the point. I concur with most of your the points I've highlighted above, but it seems you're missing the broader perspective. Indeed, Donald Trump did not express favorable views towards minorities, women, or the majority of Americans, to put it mildly, and it often suggested that he should have unequivocally lost the election to Kamala. However, listen to what you're missing! Despite Trump's shortcomings, voters perceive the progressive agenda as even more unfavorable than that of a convicted felon and alleged rapist. Progressives have become detrimental to the Democratic Party, and voters have recognized this reality. An agenda grounded in reason and practicality, reminiscent of the Democratic Party's focus in the 1980s and 1990s, would have prevailed against Trump, as there was a genuine concern for the average American and the working-class citizen during that time. However, that is no longer true. Currently, skin color and gender take precedence, with all other factors being secondary. Progressivism has completely overlooked the lessons that Martin Luther King sacrificed his life to impart to us.