NBC news story on Hunter Biden

[Doctor Steuss]

Does this story have the part where Biden and Karine Jean Pierre say they won't pardon Hunter. Now watch Democrats complain that the system is broken when the J6 political prisoners are pardoned. Excuse me Democrats, you broke and dishonored the system, not Donald Trump

There's hypocrisy meltdowns galore on this one, and it's been pretty delicious to watch.

We have Second Amendment people getting all up in arms that the President pardoned someone from violating gun laws. We've got MAGA complaining about self-serving pardons (ummm... were they asleep for Trump's presidency?). We have Democrats falling over themselves trying to justify why this is ok for the President to do.

I get that at some point Democrats are likely going to need to be willing to breach ethics, and norms in order to not keep getting steamrolled by the ethical black hole and perpetual hypocrisy machine of MAGA, but this wasn't worth it. I can kind of understand the need to pre-emptively pardon stuff, seeing MAGA prepping to do what they've falsely accused Democrats of doing for years so they could inoculate their base from critical thought and moral compasses, but great-googely moogely, Biden and the Democrats laid a helluva nepotism turd on the American people with this one.

Do not like. 1 out of 5 stars. Would not recommend.

[Markk]

You’re free to make the case for Biden’s incompetence at any time.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 725475007/

“We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,” Hur wrote.

“Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone for whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt. It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him — by then a former president well into his eighties — of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness.” (special council Robert Hur)

https://nypost.com/2024/11/16/us-news/b ... -in-front/

[ajax18]

Does this story have the part where Biden and Karine Jean Pierre say they won't pardon Hunter. Now watch Democrats complain that the system is broken when the J6 political prisoners are pardoned. Excuse me Democrats, you broke and dishonored the system, not Donald Trump

There's hypocrisy meltdowns galore on this one, and it's been pretty delicious to watch.

We have Second Amendment people getting all up in arms that the President pardoned someone from violating gun laws. We've got MAGA complaining about self-serving pardons (ummm... were they asleep for Trump's presidency?). We have Democrats falling over themselves trying to justify why this is ok for the President to do.

I get that at some point Democrats are likely going to need to be willing to breach ethics, and norms in order to not keep getting steamrolled by the ethical black hole and perpetual hypocrisy machine of MAGA, but this wasn't worth it. I can kind of understand the need to pre-emptively pardon stuff, seeing MAGA prepping to do what they've falsely accused Democrats of doing for years so they could inoculate their base from critical thought and moral compasses, but great-googely moogely, Biden and the Democrats laid a helluva nepotism turd on the American people with this one.

Do not like. 1 out of 5 stars. Would not recommend.

Do you think Joe Biden will pardon Jim Biden as well in a similar all encompassing manner? I think Joe Biden is protecting himself as much as he is saving Hunter. WIth Democrats already planning how they're going to resume the plot to convict and sentence Trump once he leaves office in 2028, I could see it becoming a precedent for every American president to have to pardon himself for anything he ever did that he might be prosecuted for before he leaves office, or face spending the rest of his life in prison. Life in prison will become the new penalty for losing a presidential election.

[canpakes]

You’re free to make the case for Biden’s incompetence at any time.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 725475007/

“We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,” Hur wrote.

“Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone for whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt. It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him — by then a former president well into his eighties — of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness.” (special council Robert Hur)

https://nypost.com/2024/11/16/us-news/b ... -in-front/

You may want to do more than post the opinion of one man who was regarded by many to be partisan, and a link to a story about Biden arriving late to a photo op.

[Markk]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 725475007/

“We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,” Hur wrote.

“Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone for whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt. It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him — by then a former president well into his eighties — of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness.” (special council Robert Hur)

https://nypost.com/2024/11/16/us-news/b ... -in-front/

You may want to do more than post the opinion of one man who was regarded by many to be partisan, and a link to a story about Biden arriving late to a photo op.

LOL Cakes, we all make bad decisions and buy into politicians and folks that are not what we thought they were. Biden and Harris were a disaster since day one and even worse at the end. They will go down as the worst "team" of our generations, Trying to defend it is just not a good idea in my opinion, although entertaining.

Doubling down on this is a loosing proposition.

by the way the picture was alphabetical by country, there were name tags on at their feet, it had nothing to do with him being late, you just made that up. The point is the leader of the free world was delighted to alphabetical order.

Does this look like a leader with a strong presence?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQKW-dcmrns

If Hur was so partisan, why didn't he prosecute Biden?

What about Pelosi?

Just a bit of advice, take your lumps, admit the Biden/Harris presidency was and is a train wreck. Think of it like this, it is like getting a new pair of white tennis shoes, at some point you have to give in and realize they are dirty and a mess, and relegate them to yard work shoes. Don't go down with the ship.

You have four years to bash any stupid thing Trump does.

[Dr Exiled]

He pardoned his son not only for the crimes he was convicted of, and crimes Hunter actually plead guilty to. But also any crimes he "might " have committed in a ten year period.
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They can still go after Hunter civilly....but who knows what will happen.

Right. It was a tactically smart move by Biden. Republicans blew 4 years off with clownish investigations of any Biden they could, and ended up with near nothing to show for it, except the spectacle of Marjorie Taylor Green repeatedly trying to display Hunter’s dick pics to Congress.

Now Republicans are denied one of their juiciest targets to waste four more years on, and will have to organize their next set of time-wasting, clownish, and sham ‘investigations’ on less interesting citizens. But I’m sure that they’ll find a way to fill their schedules with those so that they don’t have to do any real work.

Biden flat out lied on this one, and if Trump does not pardon the J6 folks, he also lied.

It’s a poker game. Biden played a hand that pushes Trump closer to having to pardon a thousand whining, petulant anti-democracy rioters and lawbreakers. If he falls for it, that will ultimately be much more damaging to Trump’s legacy than Hunter’s pardon will be to Joe’s.

Maybe take Markk's advice and don't go down with the ship. You'll have a lot of time to bitch and moan about what Trump does over the next 4 years and probably with good reason. I agree that the pardon was a tactical move, but not why you think it was. Hunter no longer has 5th Amendment privileges and could be called to Congress to give a play by play of the laptop, implicating the big guy and perhaps reopen Trump's first impeachment and the real reasons why it was done, maybe. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-AA1v7uZW

Other pardons will probably follow. Biden's brother seems a likely and maybe Biden will pardon himself in exchange for the real story to come out. Don't worry though. You've already put your finger on how your corrupt team and dying media will play it. However, I wonder if more of what happened on J6 will come out to blunt your last point? There are a lot of republicans that wanted to label Trump as an insurrectionist, like McConnell and Romney and they have been carrying water for the narrative. Time will tell if once Wray is gone and Patel is in what information will come out about possible government participation in the riot and dangerous trespassing that happened that day.

Anyway, I recommend the latest Joe Rogan podcast where he interviews Mike Benz. Mike explains why the J6 narrative became what it was. They tried to make it look like what we did in Ukraine in 2014 using the ABC news producer and choreographed testimony. Funny how the J6 committee records were destroyed. Probably an accident, right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrJhQpvlkLA

[Doctor Steuss]

Do you think Joe Biden will pardon Jim Biden as well in a similar all encompassing manner? I think Joe Biden is protecting himself as much as he is saving Hunter.

With Trump and his swamp obviously gearing up to use the justice department, and federal government as his own person revenge and vendetta machine, it wouldn't surprise me if there are a lot of knee-jerk pre-emptive pardons. Where Biden has already shown that he's willing to go down this route, I don't see why he'll violate public trust by pardoning his son, but not violate public trust by pardoning other relatives/relations.

I wish we had the drive, as a country/electorate to put some guardrails in place for Presidential pardons. It's one of those executive powers that's ripe for abuse (and has been abused, and will continue to be abused). I don't know what the guardrails would look like. Perhaps an independent non-partisan legal review board of some sort; especially if the person being pardoned has any type of relationship to the President (i.e. familial, political, financial, business, etc.), or if they committed a crime on behalf of the President. Or a legislative outline of types of crimes that can be pardoned, and what exactly those pardons can entail (i.e. commuting a sentence, vs. making the charges just *poof* into thin air, or the crimes must be specified and can't be blanket, etc.).

[canpakes]

You may want to do more than post the opinion of one man who was regarded by many to be partisan, and a link to a story about Biden arriving late to a photo op.

LOL Cakes, we all make bad decisions and buy into politicians and folks that are not what we thought they were. Biden and Harris were a disaster since day one and even worse at the end. They will go down as the worst "team" of our generations, Trying to defend it is just not a good idea in my opinion, although entertaining.

I haven’t needed to nor tried to ‘defend’ the Biden/Harris administration because you haven’t made any argument yet as to why it was ‘a disaster since day one’.

Useless and unsubstantiated proclamations aren’t an argument. : D

[canpakes]

Maybe take Markk's advice and don't go down with the ship. You'll have a lot of time to bitch and moan about what Trump does over the next 4 years and probably with good reason. I agree that the pardon was a tactical move, but not why you think it was. Hunter no longer has 5th Amendment privileges and could be called to Congress to give a play by play of the laptop, implicating the big guy and perhaps reopen Trump's first impeachment and the real reasons why it was done, maybe. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-AA1v7uZW

Other pardons will probably follow. Biden's brother seems a likely and maybe Biden will pardon himself in exchange for the real story to come out. Don't worry though. You've already put your finger on how your corrupt team and dying media will play it. However, I wonder if more of what happened on J6 will come out to blunt your last point? There are a lot of republicans that wanted to label Trump as an insurrectionist, like McConnell and Romney and they have been carrying water for the narrative. Time will tell if once Wray is gone and Patel is in what information will come out about possible government participation in the riot and dangerous trespassing that happened that day.

I think that you’re misreading my position. I didn’t state whether or not I thought that the pardon was a good idea. For what it’s worth, I don’t agree with the principle and the precedent. I am expressing my opinion on other aspects. The situation presents similar considerations like the thought exercise where a man steals cancer meds for his sick son, or a woman shoots and kills her terribly abusive husband. The actions by either are still legally wrong, but there are mitigating circumstances in each that drove the action.

Given the incoming Administration’s chest-thumping about revenge - even against folks who were just doing their actual jobs - I’m interpreting that there are certain circumstances that Biden considered in this pardon decision.

Anyway, I recommend the latest Joe Rogan podcast where he interviews Mike Benz. Mike explains why the J6 narrative became what it was. They tried to make it look like what we did in Ukraine in 2014 using the ABC news producer and choreographed testimony. Funny how the J6 committee records were destroyed. Probably an accident, right.

Maybe this is where you reread the first sentence of your reply, and consider the same advice. ; )

[Markk]

Anyway, I recommend the latest Joe Rogan podcast where he interviews Mike Benz. Mike explains why the J6 narrative became what it was. They tried to make it look like what we did in Ukraine in 2014 using the ABC news producer and choreographed testimony. Funny how the J6 committee records were destroyed. Probably an accident, right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrJhQpvlkLA

I finished listening to it this morning. My head is spinning. Rogan said he will need to listen to it 3 or 4 times, I will need 6 or 7. It is not only alarming but down right scary, that organized social media/internet censorship within every countries election can dictate outcomes, and we as a government are so vested in it, having a desk for each country in most every department. And how 2020 was a successful beta for it working here, and in my opinion, how Musk buying Twitter stopped it from happening again.

The argument and challenge is that if we stop doing it, rouge powers will not, and in turn they will own narratives in other countries elections, direct the outcomes, and dictate the desired assets.

Again my head is spinning trying to compartmentalize all he is asserting, mind you without any notes. Benz is the definition of a photographic memory!