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Re: I fear for my life! Here's proof.

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doubtingthomas wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 3:51 am
Marcus wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 3:49 am
What solution are you asking for?
It's not hard to come up with a solution. I am sure there are many solutions.

Teach people not to reject the socially awkward?
That's what you meant by this?
doubtingthomas wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:26 am
But if you want violence to decrease, give the lonely guys some friends.
What does "give the lonely guys some friends" mean?
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doubtingthomas wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 2:56 am
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Mon Apr 24, 2023 2:31 am
What does that mean? There are 330 million people in the U.S. Very few of them know that I exist. Am I "invisible" to them?
I don't know, i don't want to engage in a philosophical discussion.

You have to respond to this.
doubtingthomas wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 2:52 am
Here you go buddy,

"Perhaps rejection and social exclusion are potential causes of aggressive behavior. The school shooters apparently regarded their actions as responses to rejection by others". https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11761307/

Read more here "Rejection does cause aggression," according to one of the authors of that study.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 081926.htm

Another study concluded that loneliness (among patients who are depressed) is positively correlated with negative feelings.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4225959/

Anyways, there is an obvious correlation between social exclusion and aggression.
The study says that aggression is just as meaningful as physical harm. It basically looks at aggression to predict violence. Read it.
No, I don’t. If you don’t have the cognitive ability to define your own terms, I don’t have the patience to address your infantile reasoning.
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Re: I fear for my life! Here's proof.

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:41 am
No, I don’t. If you don’t have the cognitive ability to define your own terms, I don’t have the patience to address your infantile reasoning.
Gadianton thinks that I want society to give me a young girlfriend. You guys always have to make it about me. Perhaps you and the others don't have the cognitive ability to understand what I am saying.

I've clarified countless of times on many threads that I am talking about young men around 18 to 22 and maybe 13 to 22 on this occasion. Is it right for students to reject a classmate? Think of your kids. How would you feel if your child was socially excluded? I was lonely when I was a young man in my late teens and early 20s and I am still pretty lonely to this day, I know how it feels.
Marcus wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:00 am
What does "give the lonely guys some friends" mean?
It doesn't mean that I want society to give me some friends. "give the lonely guys some friends" is clearly figurative speech. What does that mean? You can interpret that like any reasonable person would.
"I have the type of (REAL) job where I can choose how to spend my time," says Marcus. :roll:
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doubtingthomas wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 5:18 am
Marcus wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:00 am
What does "give the lonely guys some friends" mean?
It doesn't mean that I want society to give me some friends. "give the lonely guys some friends" is clearly figurative speech. What does that mean? You can interpret that like any reasonable person would.
I am interpreting it as any reasonable person would. you were quite specific when you said this:
doubtingthomas wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:26 am
But if you want violence to decrease, give the lonely guys some friends.
What does "give the lonely guys some friends" in order to 'decrease violence' mean?
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Marcus wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 5:24 am
What does "give the lonely guys some friends" in order to 'decrease violence' mean?
It's clear you have comprehension problems. You can find the answer by reading the paper. As a said before, reducing loneliness will reduce the violence rates and the sexism.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11761307/

[Personal attack deleted. FR2 — RI] Stop harassing me with your retarded questioning.
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Marcus wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 5:24 am
... you were quite specific when you said this:
doubtingthomas wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:26 am
But if you want violence to decrease, give the lonely guys some friends.
What does "give the lonely guys some friends" in order to 'decrease violence' mean?
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Go spam other threads. You have no interest in a real discussion.
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doubtingthomas wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 5:18 am
Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:41 am
No, I don’t. If you don’t have the cognitive ability to define your own terms, I don’t have the patience to address your infantile reasoning.
Gadianton thinks that I want society to give me a young girlfriend. You guys always have to make it about me. Perhaps you and the others don't have the cognitive ability to understand what I am saying.

I've clarified countless of times on many threads that I am talking about young men around 18 to 22 and maybe 13 to 22 on this occasion. Is it right for students to reject a classmate? Think of your kids. How would you feel if your child was socially excluded? I was lonely when I was a young man in my late teens and early 20s and I am still pretty lonely to this day, I know how it feels.
Marcus wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:00 am
What does "give the lonely guys some friends" mean?
It doesn't mean that I want society to give me some friends. "give the lonely guys some friends" is clearly figurative speech. What does that mean? You can interpret that like any reasonable person would.
It’s not my job (or Marcus’s) to define your terms for you. You are the one one who used the words “rejected by society” and “give the lonely guy some friends.” If you don’t understand what you mean by those terms, maybe you should use other terms.

I was a tiny kid with a big mouth. I was bullied quite a bit, so I understand rejection. But I didn’t react with aggression or anti-social behavior. Oddly enough, reacting to rejection with anti-social behavior and aggression is a 100% counter productive strategy. Part of the puzzle psychologists are trying to figure out why people would react to rejection with behavior that will make them more likely to be rejected in the future.

Should children be taught to accept children who are different from them. Absolutely. Should children who have trouble with social skills be given instruction in how to improve those skills? Absolutely. Should schools both and expect and require a basic level of civil treatment of others? Certainly.

Will any of that prevent kids from being mean to each other? Probably not. Can we guarantee that no one will ever suffer social rejection? Nope. Should we teach children how to be resilient in the face of rejection. Absolutely.

I’m sorry you feel lonely today. Even when I had the crap bullied out of me growing up, I always had a friend or two. We weren’t the cool kids, but we hung out together and learned how to develop friendships. No one taught us — we just fumbled our way through it.

At this stage of your life, if you feel lonely and you want to have some friends, it’s going to be up to you to learn how to develop friendships and put in the time and effort it takes to do so. You can quote all the studies you want, but the only person who can change your circumstances is you. And every article you cite for the proposition that it’s someone else’s fault Is a step backwards.

You’ve been given dozens and dozens of good ideas for developing a social life. Pick a few and put them action.
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I think your reading or audiobook listening time would be well spent on Ryan Holiday's Ego is the Enemy, DT.
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honorentheos wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 6:20 am
I think your reading or audiobook listening time would be well spent on Ryan Holiday's Ego is the Enemy, DT.
Good suggestion. I subscribe to his substack, and he has some interesting things to say. His The Obstacle is the Way would also be a good choice.
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