EAllusion wrote:Kamala Harris says that Mike Pence is wrong to discriminate against women, but she slept with a much older man, so what do you think about that?
- Doc - Staunch Democrat.
"It's cool to “F” people you work with because it's worked out so well for everyone."
- EA - Totally-a-Libertarian
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
EAllusion wrote:Your "personal choice" is literally to discriminate against women by refusing to meet with them alone. Defend it if you must, but at least own up to it. If you refused to have lunch with black people, you can describe that as a personal choice and be right about that in a sense, but your behavior is discriminatory and has effects on people other than yourself.
This is an example of why i believe the majority of American citizens have reached a point of simply rejecting this kind of leftist nonsense. I guess we shall see what happens in the next election but I hope I am right. This nonsense needs to be pulverised, America hangs in the balance
Ceeboo wrote:This is an example of why i believe the majority of American citizens have reached a point of simply rejecting this kind of leftist nonsense. I guess we shall see what happens in the next election but I hope I am right. This nonsense needs to be pulverised, America hangs in the balance
A woman who feels threatened is a victim. A male who is apprehensive about being falsely accused is a sexist. A left-leaning women is to be believed. A right-leaning women is to be discredited. Got it, and so did so many people in 2016 thus we got Trump. If the Left wants to win 2020 they need to avoid EA's and KG's mentality at all costs, but it looks like they're doubling down on the crazy and will only energize the Right. This is what happens when echo chambers take over the Big Tent of a political party.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Ceeboo wrote: ... As a matter of fact, among the list of possible reasons that a man might decide to not have one on one business lunches with a female, religion probably isn't found on the first two pages of said list.
Frankly, I am really not very concerned with the reasons of a man who makes the decisions that Pence has made, which, so far as I am aware, would even stop him having a one-on-one meal in a public restaurant with any woman not his wife.
As I said upthread:
I am trying to imagine what my life would have been like if I had tried to refuse business meetings one on one with women who happened to be in senior positions in the organisations I have dealt with as the representative of my own side of things. It just doesn't compute.
I do know that I would have been a complete laughing stock, in my own organisation and well beyond it. One on one meetings are often an essential stage in getting difficult situations sorted out, and the idea of excluding half the human race as potential partners in such dialogues would have been a major negative in my effectiveness, both real and perceived. The fact that this thread contains relatively serious discussion about whether the Vice-President's position is a reasonable one or not underlines for me how very different US culture is from many other parts of the world.
Nothing much said in this thread has made me feel any different, though I might change 'US culture' to 'some parts of US culture'.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Chap wrote:... though I might change 'US culture' to 'some parts of US culture'.
That's probably a good policy:
We wouldn't want the whole judged by a minority. Whatever the case may be, does your place of employment have a fraternization policy?
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Ceeboo wrote: ... As a matter of fact, among the list of possible reasons that a man might decide to not have one on one business lunches with a female, religion probably isn't found on the first two pages of said list.
Frankly, I am really not very concerned with the reasons of a man who makes the decisions that Pence has made
That's good because these personal decisions are none of your business and nobody who makes them - no matter what their decision is - need to explain it/them or justify it/them to you.
As I said upthread:
Some stuff about being worried about being laughed at and some more stuff about the concern for the image he projects to his peers
Frankly, I am not at all concerned with your opinions about the personal decisions of an American citizen. However, I am very concerned that each and every American citizen continues to have the freedom/right to make these personal decisions for themselves. Because, you see, it's entirely American!
Ceeboo wrote: ... As a matter of fact, among the list of possible reasons that a man might decide to not have one on one business lunches with a female, religion probably isn't found on the first two pages of said list.
Frankly, I am really not very concerned with the reasons of a man who makes the decisions that Pence has made
Ceeboo wrote:That's good because these personal decisions are none of your business and nobody who makes them - no matter what their decision is - need to explain it/them or justify it/them to you.
Did I ask Mr Pence or anybody else to explain themselves? Nope. I said specifically that their reasons did not concern me. So we are together on that one. But that does not stop me saying that, based on my own experience of life and work in responsible positions, such decisions seem to me quite bizarre. And I don't think I'm alone there, even on this board.
Ceeboo wrote:Frankly, I am not at all concerned with your opinions about the personal decisions of an American citizen.
Good. The feeling is quite mutual.
Ceeboo wrote:However, I am very concerned that each and every American citizen continues to have the freedom/right to make these personal decisions for themselves. Because, you see, it's entirely American!
No it isn't. We also tolerate weirdos quite well outside the US, you know. And, like Americans (correct me if I'm wrong) we also have the right to say they are weird.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Chap wrote: Did I ask Mr Pence or anybody else to explain themselves? Nope. I said specifically that their reasons did not concern me. So we are together on that one. But that does not stop me saying that, based on my own experience of life and work in responsible positions, such decisions seem to me quite bizarre. And I don't think I'm alone there, even on this board.
Your belief that his personal choice is "quite bizarre" is irrelevant. Do you believe he has the freedom/right to make such a decision/choice for himself? That is what is relevant.
Chap wrote: Did I ask Mr Pence or anybody else to explain themselves? Nope. I said specifically that their reasons did not concern me. So we are together on that one. But that does not stop me saying that, based on my own experience of life and work in responsible positions, such decisions seem to me quite bizarre. And I don't think I'm alone there, even on this board.
Your belief that his personal choice is "quite bizarre" is irrelevant. Do you believe he has the freedom/right to make such a decision/choice for himself? That is what is relevant.
And there you have it. There is only one relevant question that can be raised or discussed: whether this white, male, evangelical Christian, who is second in line to head the executive branch in our government “of the people, by the people, and for the people, is “Can he do what he wants?”
So saith a fellow white, male, evangelical Christian.
And you have no right to criticize him on a message board.
So saith Ceeboo.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
And there you have it. There is only one relevant question that can be raised or discussed: whether this white, male, evangelical Christian, who is second in line to head the executive branch in our government “of the people, by the people, and for the people, is “Can he do what he wants?”
So saith a fellow white, male, evangelical Christian.
And you have no right to criticize him on a message board.
So saith Ceeboo.
Come 2020 - Vote Republican and vote often. America is at stake!
