Thread for discussing climate change

[Res Ipsa]

Did you spot your fatally flawed premise?

What is that? Refusing requests that do not include "please?"

No, the one in your "easily debunked" post. I was betting on you to be able to do so.

[Res Ipsa]

No, the one in your "easily debunked" post. I was betting on you to be able to do so.

So, you want me to help you win a bet? Yeah. We seem to be doing well here in this thread about discussing climate change. Sure, I won't even ask for a portion of the pot. I will go back and find it. Why does it feel, though, like I am handing out lemurs and helping you win a bet as a favor without even getting a polite request?

Oh, I'd be happy to award you the entire pot. You get all the upside and I get all the downside. And I wasn't making a request. I thought telling our mutual friend that his post was "garbage" and "easily debunked" without actually debunking it was rude, and so I issued a challenge rather than a request.

[ceeboo]

For what it worth, I have been thinking about this very idea. I haven't landed anywhere at this point, just thinking about it.

If nothing else, it's at least an interesting statement, in my opinion.

Is it really that interesting?

To me? Yes (Look above, I l literally said so) - If you don't think it's an interesting statement, no problem on my end. The reason I found it interesting is because I have always thought of the word "cult" as relating, in some way, to a religion - religious group - religious leader - etc. That's all.

I realize I myself have accused A-Mike of getting his Ideas for Rush......

Is it safe to say that you meant "from Rush" and not "for Rush?" - If I am incorrect, just let me know.

Why would you use a deceased man as a weapon to paint a negative picture of where A-Mike gets his ideas from on a message board? Has Rush weighed in on climate change when he was alive? Has Rush written on the topic? Did Rush post about surfing and fishing? I'm asking because I don't know these answers and I'm trying to understand why you would choose a dead man considering all the other options you have to challenge A-Mike.

In other words, why did you choose Rush? Why not Pelosi? Or Cruz? Or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez? Or Hannity? Or Cuomo? Or Bugs Bunny? Or any other person on the planet that is currently alive?

And, since we're name dropping, who do you get your ideas from? (Even if he or she is dead, I still want to know)

My right-wing friend........

LOL! - Your "right wing friend" posts are some of my absolute favorites!

[canpakes]

Has Rush weighed in on climate change when he was alive? Has Rush written on the topic?

He did, many times. Here are a few quotes, below:


“[Global warming] has no basis in fact, and yet it has acolytes out the wazoo. We have people going out and living their lives and changing their lives to account for this hoax and this manmade global warming that's destroying the planet, that they have been led to believe they are responsible for in part, and so they gotta do things to absolve themselves of their sin. So they're putting in these screwy little spaghetti light bulbs, they're driving strange cars, they're using something other than toilet paper in the bathroom, whatever number of things.”
— Feb. 27, 2008


“So some actor or some public figure trying to make it with a model and the model's been bought, paid for by the global warming crowd, is out there spouting it, the guy will say whatever."
— Nov. 20, 2015


“And since there are a lot of people out there, low-information voter types who really don't think their lives have much meaning and they're seeking for meaningful lives and they think, "Wow! How much more meaning can you have than to actually save the planet."
— Nov. 5, 2015


“Last week on this program a young man of 13 years old called. A young boy called from Wilmington, Indiana. He was a very, very bright, articulate guy who called here to tell me that he finally had proven to himself that global warming was a hoax. He'd gone to his local library. He'd researched it and he had found it, and he told me why he thought the left and liberals don't recognize it as a hoax is because they don't want to.
— April 8, 2013


“It is my devout belief in God that gives me every bit of confidence that man is not destroying — and furthermore, cannot — destroy the climate.
— Nov. 3, 2015

[canpakes]

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Then there’s this one from Rush:

“Global Warming Snowstorm Algore, paralyzing the upper Midwest two weeks before winter. Every time he shows up someplace, every time, it's almost comical, every time Al Gore shows up someplace there's either an outbreak of weather that is the exact opposite of what he's talking about, he never does seem to get embarrassed. That's why they stopped calling it global warming and now call it climate change so that virtually every perceived abnormality can be said to be caused by climate change.”


Wait … who is the ‘they’ that stopped calling it ‘global warming’, and chose to substitute ‘climate change’ for that term?

That was Frank Luntz and the Republican Party, during the Bush Administration. Read the memo here, 12th page (listed as p. 142):

https://www.sourcewatch.org/images/4/45 ... h.Memo.pdf

[Gadianton]

Why would you use a deceased man as a weapon to paint a negative picture of where A-Mike gets his ideas from on a message board? Has Rush weighed in on climate change when he was alive? Has Rush written on the topic?

Because that's the most likely source. Rush personally spearheaded the the climate change disinformation campaign. And he was one of the earliest, most vocal voices. When I was in high school, he was the guy re-shaping conservative thought into the junkyard that it is today in my opinion, more than anybody else. Oh, back then, I thought he was cool. My mom listened to him, which is really weird given how straight-laced he was.

As one example that happened to come up from 2012 in a search. Americans get the most information about climate models from Rush Limbaugh.

So there you go. The most popular source in all of America on the topic of climate change. A guy who barely graduated from high school and probably never took an algebra class. That's important because his motif was to question mathematical models. I listened to his show a few times at the onset of Covid, and he was a big Covid denier, and he based all his insights on linking forecasts regarding Covid to models used in climate science. Since he'd already dispensed with climate modeling, it was easy to throw Covid out on the same terms. A walking heap of garbage, he was.

You give him too much respect referring to him as a "deceased man". Adolf Hitler and Ted Bundy are also "deceased men", but that's usually not how we talk about those who rank among the most evil human beings to have lived.

[Gadianton]

Cult,

If we were talking Relativity, we'd be talking about Einstein, right? Einstein is dead, right? Or does one of your Q conspiracies say otherwise?

As pointed out, Rush was the most important source of anti-climate science information when he was alive so he's kind of a fitting piece of the picture.

[Gadianton]

Rush was not a source of any science whatsoever.

That is true.

[canpakes]

WTF? Rush was not a source of any science whatsoever. Not anti something or pro something or nothing. He was never a source for science. He was just a talking talk talker talking m-fer with a golden EIB microphone or some damn thing. Source of science? Nuh uh.

Now you know what the problem is with the folks who repeat his nonsense in discussions about climate change.

[canpakes]

I would like to discuss a few things in your post - Like these tens of millions of frothing American citizens who listened to a radio guy and who you see as "somebody with dangerous opinions in power" other than Rush - But at this point, given our last few exchanges, and considering the time in my neck of the woods, I think I'll just let you know that I appreciate you engaging me and leave it at that.

Ceeboo, I wrote the following in the other climate change thread:

Ceeboo, you have options. I’ve not politicized the issue in this thread and I’ve asked you directly to touch on any aspects of climate change science that you find compelling or worthy of discussion. So far, you’ve chosen to not respond.

Whaddya say?

Want to talk about this?