I never spoke with him about his business dealings

[Dr Exiled]

It seems more like the emperor and his new clothes or how Mormon leaders handled their history over the years. Or maybe we are just conspiracy theorists when it comes to Mormonism? Anyway, its not too much to consider that perhaps the corporate oligopolists and the media and politicians they control want to box in the message so that the results end up what the corporate leaders want. Democracy is at stake, right?

When it comes to Mormon history, there are firmly pro-Mormons who confirm much of the worst that apostates fear. If I were to pick through works by
Arrington or Bushman and then present my case to most of my family, they'd stone me as an anti-Mormon. In other words, no matter how much the Church leaders and Mormon culture itself work -- I think Mormon culture is as much or more to blame than leaders -- to create a true information vacuum, they have failed to do so.

Barack Obama may still be hell-bent on prosecuting Edward Snowden, but Snowden found a great shovel full of dirt, and nobody that I know of thinks he's lying about it and everyone in big tech in my experience acted as if his leak was 100% accurate. If there's damning evidence against Sleepy Joe as a "crime family boss" then it's perfectly feasible to get the dirt brought to light. In no way are corporate leaders and government officials so powerful that they're all aware of Joes crimes and all working together to keep them suppressed. Not to mention that there's plenty of "alternative" media outlets going strong venting their spleens and nobody appears able to shut them down; now that Musk owns Twitter the room for alternative view points is greater than ever. If there's a case, I think it should be able to get made. So, bring the evidence, and I'll look at it. But don't just say that "corporate oligarchs and the media and politicians" want to control the narrative, therefore they are controlling the narrative and therefore, it's impossible to bring evidence against Sleepy Joe's crimes because it will all be suppressed.

The investigation hasn't reached finality yet. https://abcnews.go.com/US/hunter-biden- ... =100338044 But so far, the Republicans claim they have bank records and messages that link the President to an influence campaign involving China, Ukraine, and Romainia. Also, the FBI heavily redacted the document that allegedly linked them to an investigation into the same subjects. Why the FBI thought the need to redact the document is questionable. Perhaps it is akin to the laptop was supposedly Russian disinformation or perhaps there are other reasons. Even so, Twitter, Facebook and the like suppressed the laptop story that turned out to be true and obviously did so to "save democracy" from the people inconveniently choosing the wrong candidate. Hunter got a pretty sweet deal regarding his taxes and it remains to be seen whether the truth will come out regarding the rest of the possible corruption details or whether the IRS whistleblowers will have any effect on the matter.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

-_-

It’s like no matter how many times the absurdities coming from the Right has been pointed out or debunked, the Right keeps winking and nudging one another, as they foist another one on the country.

Have fun larping. You guys lost all credibility with Trump, this Supreme Court (going back to Graham going back on his word), and culture war nonsense (all that blather about freedom and individual liberty is BS).

What a crap show.

- Doc

[Schreech]

Jesus Christ, you guys will believe anything as long as it fits with what you want to believe. Cultist gotta cult...

https://www.newsweek.com/hunter-bidens- ... ge-1810272

"Hunter Biden attorney Abbe Lowell wrote to Smith a week later that the images "circulated online are complete fakes," according to a letter obtained by NBC News, pointing to inconsistencies in the picture with traditional WhatsApp messaging."

"However, a spokesperson for Ways and Means told Newsweek on Friday that the photo was never intended to mimic a real screenshot, and that the message contained in the markup is directly from Shapley's testimony about Hunter Biden's alleged message."

LOLOLOL! "butbutbut - wadabout the whatsapp messages! - this investigation isn't over yet!!!"... They literally mocked up whatsapp messages because they knew the simpletons who rely on right-wing propaganda to tell them what to think won't question anything they read. What's even more hilarious is that even if they were not completely fabricated, you still couldn't explain why anything written would have been illegal. Hopuim for cultists...

Oh, and from the link you provided:

"Clark also cast doubt on the authenticity of the message: "A close examination of the document released publicly yesterday by a very biased individual raises serious questions over whether it is what he claims it to be."

If the message is in fact real and its contents taken at face value, it would certainly raise political and ethical questions for the White House. Hunter Biden and his uncles, James and Frank, have a lengthy record of invoking the family name to secure business deals without Joe Biden's knowledge, which could have been the case in this circumstance. But if Joe Biden wasn't in office at the time, it would not necessarily amount to evidence of a crime." - I am guessing you didn't actually read the article you posted...

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Thankfully, these platforms have evolved into simply telling us what to think and how to think. They provide the powerful storytelling and we the people just need nod our head in agreement. Easy.

If only that was a moment of clarity for the author.

- Doc

[canpakes]

"Hunter Biden attorney Abbe Lowell wrote to Smith a week later that the images "circulated online are complete fakes," according to a letter obtained by NBC News, pointing to inconsistencies in the picture with traditional WhatsApp messaging."

"However, a spokesperson for Ways and Means told Newsweek on Friday that the photo was never intended to mimic a real screenshot, and that the message contained in the markup is directly from Shapley's testimony about Hunter Biden's alleged message."

This is very unfair. How can we expect to uncover all of the horrifying details of Master Crime Lord Joe Biden’s Worldwide Corruption and Bad Things Organization, if the badly-photoshopped fake WhatsApp messages allegedly from Hunter keep getting exposed as badly-photoshopped fakes?

[Schreech]

This is very unfair. How can we expect to uncover all of the horrifying details of Master Crime Lord Joe Biden’s Worldwide Corruption and Bad Things Organization, if the badly-photoshopped fake WhatsApp messages allegedly from Hunter keep getting exposed as badly-photoshopped fakes?

Let me adjust my maga hat and try to suppress my IQ a few points...:



These fake messages are just placeholders for the super real and massively damning evidence that is being held back by the WEAPONIZED DOJ. The real messages, if we could get them out from all those "redacted documents", would, for SURE show that Joe Biden is a criminal mastermind who has used his position to rake in MILLIONS of dollars using Hunter as a go between to extort money from private corporations around the WORLD!! Those totally reliable and real WHISTLEBLOWERS will, any day now, reveal the "rest of the possible corruption" that links Joe Biden to "an influence campaign involving China, Ukraine, and Romainia" - Dimensia Joe has his hands in EVERYTHING!!! Don't let the MEDIA SUPPRESSORS convince you that the "sweet deal" Hunter got is typical for failure to file taxes - he, for sure, only avoided life in federal prison because he is so heavily involved with the DEEP STATE SWAMP that they made sure he got a super "sweet deal" for misdemeanor failure to pay taxes!!! Its all just part of a DEEP STATE plot to "save democracy from people inconveniently choosing" someone other than our Lard and Savior and our mango messiah...

[Vēritās]

The full interview with Shapley and others, along with Ways and Means warrant is all detailed here in searchable format. According to this, that Whatsapp message is actually real, but it is based on what they pieced together from an Icloud account. The version floating around the web however is obviously fake, because it includes a photo of Hunter Biden that one of his friends pointed out was taken at an event years later and someone snagged it from Google images and created a meme.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... transcript

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... nter-biden

[Dr Exiled]

Jesus Christ, you guys will believe anything as long as it fits with what you want to believe. Cultist gotta cult...

https://www.newsweek.com/hunter-bidens- ... ge-1810272

"Hunter Biden attorney Abbe Lowell wrote to Smith a week later that the images "circulated online are complete fakes," according to a letter obtained by NBC News, pointing to inconsistencies in the picture with traditional WhatsApp messaging."

"However, a spokesperson for Ways and Means told Newsweek on Friday that the photo was never intended to mimic a real screenshot, and that the message contained in the markup is directly from Shapley's testimony about Hunter Biden's alleged message."

LOLOLOL! "butbutbut - wadabout the whatsapp messages! - this investigation isn't over yet!!!"... They literally mocked up whatsapp messages because they knew the simpletons who rely on right-wing propaganda to tell them what to think won't question anything they read. What's even more hilarious is that even if they were not completely fabricated, you still couldn't explain why anything written would have been illegal. Hopuim for cultists...

Oh, and from the link you provided:

"Clark also cast doubt on the authenticity of the message: "A close examination of the document released publicly yesterday by a very biased individual raises serious questions over whether it is what he claims it to be."

If the message is in fact real and its contents taken at face value, it would certainly raise political and ethical questions for the White House. Hunter Biden and his uncles, James and Frank, have a lengthy record of invoking the family name to secure business deals without Joe Biden's knowledge, which could have been the case in this circumstance. But if Joe Biden wasn't in office at the time, it would not necessarily amount to evidence of a crime." - I am guessing you didn't actually read the article you posted...

So, you think an exhibit that contains the direct testimony from the IRS whistleblower, but isn't exactly like how whatsapp appears, somehow makes the IRS whistleblower testimony less than? I don't think that in and of itself should warrant such a conclusion, despite what this Clark person says (FYI, he is Hunter Biden's attorney, and you know, obviously representing his client). But, whatever suits you.

[ceeboo]

The investigation hasn't reached finality yet. https://abcnews.go.com/US/hunter-biden- ... =100338044 But so far, the Republicans claim they have bank records and messages that link the President to an influence campaign involving China, Ukraine, and Romainia. Also, the FBI heavily redacted the document that allegedly linked them to an investigation into the same subjects. Why the FBI thought the need to redact the document is questionable. Perhaps it is akin to the laptop was supposedly Russian disinformation or perhaps there are other reasons. Even so, Twitter, Facebook and the like suppressed the laptop story that turned out to be true and obviously did so to "save democracy" from the people inconveniently choosing the wrong candidate. Hunter got a pretty sweet deal regarding his taxes and it remains to be seen whether the truth will come out regarding the rest of the possible corruption details or whether the IRS whistleblowers will have any effect on the matter.

Dr E,

I don't think your post was appreciated around these parts. Imagin that!

[Schreech]

So, you think an exhibit that contains the direct testimony from the IRS whistleblower, but isn't exactly like how whatsapp appears, somehow makes the IRS whistleblower testimony less than? I don't think that in and of itself should warrant such a conclusion, despite what this Clark person says (FYI, he is Hunter Biden's attorney, and you know, obviously representing his client). But, whatever suits you.

Christ, I know you didn't read your own article so, let me quote it for you since you are now fixated on "whistleblowers" since its been shown that your barely coherent rant about how the investigation isn't over yet was based primarily on made up whatsapp messages:

"GOP lawmakers on Thursday released transcripts from two IRS whistleblowers who together complained in April that the Justice Department sabotaged investigators' efforts to level harsher penalties against the younger Biden -- an accusation at odds with statements made by the Trump-appointed U.S. attorney who prosecuted the case."

"Other records released Thursday by the committee appear to conflict with their broader claim that President Biden was an active participant in Hunter Biden's business endeavors.

In his interview with the committee, for example, one of the IRS whistleblowers recounted an interview with one of Hunter Biden's business associates, Rob Walker, during which Walker said: "I certainly never was thinking at any time the VP was a part of anything we were doing.""

From an article linked to the one you posted:

"House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Jason Smith promoted the whistleblowers' testimony as evidence that senior Biden administration officials stymied Delaware U.S. Attorney David Weiss' investigation -- a sentiment at odds with the Trump appointee's own affirmation that Attorney General Merrick Garland granted him "ultimate authority" to investigate the younger Biden.

"As both the Attorney General and U.S. Attorney David Weiss have said, U.S. Attorney Weiss has full authority over this matter, including responsibility for deciding where, when, and whether to file charges as he deems appropriate," the DOJ said in a statement. "He needs no further approval to do so.""

What, EXACTLY, do you think the "whistleblower" testimony reveals since it seems like you have no idea what you are trying to claim beyond parroting right-wing talking points? Apparently, all that matters to you is that headlines to articles (you don't bother to read) include the word "whistleblower" for Biden to be guilty of something. You just need to ignore that these "whistleblower's" own, Trump appointed boss admitted that there was no interference because you are just sure there is something damning in their testimony about Hunter Bidens failure to pay taxes because, "WHISTLEBLOWER"!!...lol.