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[honorentheos]

I think your reading or audiobook listening time would be well spent on Ryan Holiday's Ego is the Enemy, DT.

Good suggestion. I subscribe to his substack, and he has some interesting things to say. His The Obstacle is the Way would also be a good choice.

I liked The Obstacle is the Way and also get his reading list emails. I think Ego is a good fit here for the reason that, in it Holiday is more self-reflective than in most of his writing. It's not just writing on the topic but his engaging with his own ego as it inflated and was deflated that gives more insight than it might have otherwise failed to present. It's probably his most vulnerable writing, in my opinion. I think it models the subject better than many other books might for that reason, and DT could benefit from that aspect of it.

[doubtingthomas]

Will any of that prevent kids from being mean to each other? Probably not. Can we guarantee that no one will ever suffer social rejection? Nope.

I agree, but we shouldn't deny that there's a correlation between social exclusion and violence (and misogyny). I understand it's not possible to prevent everyone from being socially excluded, but how can we find the best solution if we don't acknowledge the problem?

As Vaush pointed out, the Left doesn't care about young men. The Right at least pretends to care. Even if social exclusion isn't causing misogyny, the fact is that many lonely men are listening to the Right and the Red Pill.

[doubtingthomas]

Should we teach children how to be resilient in the face of rejection. Absolutely.

I agree,but the reality is that a lot of kids and young men who are lonely and have no friends are listening to the Red Pill.

The Left seems to have no interest at all in reaching out to young men.

[doubtingthomas]

It’s not my job (or Marcus’s) to define your terms for you. You are the one one who used the words “rejected by society” and “give the lonely guy some friends.” If you don’t understand what you mean by those terms, maybe you should use other terms.

There's a growing number of young men who don't have any friends and don't have a girlfriend. We should all be very concerned about the fact that the Tates and others are gaining a lot of popularity.

[doubtingthomas]

The answer isn't to force young women to be love slaves to older losers.

And the answer isn't to ignore young men. The Right at least pretends to care about them.

[honorentheos]

The answer isn't to force young women to be love slaves to older losers.

And the answer isn't to ignore young men. The Right at least pretends to care about them.

Preferring to be lied to over putting in the work to better ones situation isn't exactly great outhinking.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Requesting DT copy and paste the study he said he read and linked to in his OP.

Here you go buddy,

"Perhaps rejection and social exclusion are potential causes of aggressive behavior. The school shooters apparently regarded their actions as responses to rejection by others". https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11761307/

You keep linking the abstract, and not the posting the study. The study isn’t feely available - it costs $18. You said you read the study, and so for the fourth time I’m requesting you copy and paste the study here so we can read it. You said you read it, so you should be able to copy and paste the study here. Easily.

Or, you can just admit you lied and didn’t read the study. <- Have you considered your penchant for lying and deflection is a character defect you need to fix?

-Doc

[Morley]

The study says that aggression is just as meaningful as physical harm.

No, it doesn't. If it did, you'd be able to post the paragraph where that's said.

If you want to post your thoughts, please do. But stop linking to studies--many of which are generally inaccessible or incomplete--and claiming that they say something they clearly don't. You want to pretend that science says what you wish it did.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

It should be noted that the end game of these guys is essentially a medieval or 19th century patriarchal system where men handle their ‘females’ and then when they hit puberty the girl is handed off to a husband to be used as he sees fit. Even if DT is unaware of the language he’s using, it’s rooted in the concept that there’s a “natural order” to things, starting with (please read the following in Colonel Sanders’ voice) God at the top, and each man assuming his position on down the pyramid.

Each man gets one vote per household, women lose their rights, and we’re back to a system of control that ensures the “intellectually disabled” and “socially awkward” are guaranteed sex and progeny. Hell, Matt Walsh said out loud what everyone of these guys are thinking when he stated that a female is most fertile at 14 or 15 years-old, and she should be wifed up and committed to her riole as a wife and mother.

That’s Conservatism, and that’s their end game.

- Doc

[Morley]

"Perhaps rejection and social exclusion are potential causes of aggressive behavior. The school shooters apparently regarded their actions as responses to rejection by others". https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11761307/

This quotation you use from the article is found at the bottom of the first page, where the authors spread some theories on the table before laying out their experiments. It's nowhere in findings or conclusion. Literature review, postulation, and theorizing about cause are not the same things as presenting findings.