Systemic Racism in America Exists

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Cultellus wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:27 pm
… and his systemic wealth should be stripped away …
Why go to an absurdity?

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Because he was a beneficiary of systemic racism and we are doing something about that.
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ajax18 wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:59 pm
What exactly is the value of the priesthood to someone who doesn't believe in it?
The same value as someone who does believe it, minus any placebo effect.
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Cultellus wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:20 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:15 pm


Why go to an absurdity?

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Because he was a beneficiary of systemic racism and we are doing something about that.
So, your “doing something about it” is to post on an obscure message board that Mitt Romney’s father, George Romney, who is dead, should have his wealth stripped from him? I’m not sure cleverness is your strong suit.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:27 pm
Cultellus wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:20 pm
Because he was a beneficiary of systemic racism and we are doing something about that.
So, your “doing something about it” is to post on an obscure message board that Mitt Romney’s father, George Romney, who is dead, should have his wealth stripped from him? I’m not sure cleverness is your strong suit.

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Cultellus wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:07 pm
If George Romney and his heirs shared the wealth and promotions that were generated by the consolidation of the independent auto companies then we should not redistribute his wealth. If George Romney and his heirs benefited from racial inequality we should revisit that or see if we like what they are doing today. It is probably easier to just have Mitt on our side for now.
Doc, looks like we’re seeing the disingenuous ‘wealth redistribution’ straw man being thrown in, which isn’t part of the systemic racism argument.

But it does illustrate what drives some opponents of the idea of systemic racism - that some black or brown person is coming to ‘take their stuff’.
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Cultellus wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:07 pm
If George Romney and his heirs shared the wealth and promotions that were generated by the consolidation of the independent auto companies then we should not redistribute his wealth. If George Romney and his heirs benefited from racial inequality we should revisit that or see if we like what they are doing today. It is probably easier to just have Mitt on our side for now.
Can someone untangle this babble into a coherent thought?

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Cultellus wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:28 pm
canpakes wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:15 pm
we’re seeing the disingenuous ‘wealth redistribution’ straw man being thrown in, which isn’t part of the systemic racism argument.

But it does illustrate what drives some opponents of the idea of systemic racism - that some black or brown person is coming to ‘take their stuff’.
I also included promotions. I do not think agree with your suggestion that black or brown people should take their stuff. No way to that. We need to redistribute systemically but in an opposite direction and if some groups rose to wealth or power because of systemic racism we should remove their wealth and power if it is not helpful for us right now. Not doing this is racist.
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canpakes wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:46 pm
There will be no clarification. Cultellus is trolling. ; )
I thought so and the response, yeah. I will go back to not feeding the trolls though it’s hard. I’m guessing at least one must have gotten kicked off of LDS freedom forum. :roll:
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George Romney took a lot of heat from the Church for marching and supporting Civil Rights.

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Romney also received a letter from Delbert Stapley, of the Quorum of the Twelve, which contained this ominous warning:
When I reflect upon the Prophet’s statements and remember what happened to three of our nation’s presidents who were very active in the Negro cause, I am sobered by their demise. They went contrary to the teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith- unwittingly, no doubt, but nevertheless, the prophecy of Joseph Smith...
George kept marching. He also famously turned down a bonus from American Motors. He said his salary was enough.
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Cultellus wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:07 pm
If George Romney and his heirs benefited from racial inequality we should revisit that or see if we like what they are doing today. It is probably easier to just have Mitt on our side for now.
You might say that George Romney was one of the good Republicans and was a credit to his party. The Brethren disliked his support for civil rights, but that was due to their own failings and separation from God.
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