"National Emergency" it is!

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_Res Ipsa
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Kevin Graham wrote:I'm going by what Pelosi is reported to have said when asked this question. I see no reason to think she would be lying.


Who said she was lying? Not me.

Tell me this: if Trump offered Pelosi a track to full citizenship for Dreamers in exchange for a wall 10 feet long, do you think Pelosi would say “Nope! I said no wall and I meant no wall!”
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Kevin Graham wrote:If he really wanted that wall he would have gotten it during the first two years of his administration. The wall charade the past month has been about giving in to the demands of FOX and Coulter.


Yup. The wall stuff was just a rally slogan, and once he was elected he would have been quite happy to forget it. No promises or principles matter to Trump in comparison with what, at any given moment, makes him look good and feel great about himself.

Until recently, had a deal done that certainly did not give him his 'big beautiful wall': then Coulter and Fox told him that made him look weak.

So (since there were not longer any adults in the White House to tell him this was not a great idea) he simply went back on the deal, closed down the government and talked very tough, until he was well and truly beaten, seen to be beaten ... and was once more abused by Coulter and friends as a weak president.

Wonder what the next set of poll numbers will look like?
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Kevin Graham wrote:I'm going by what Pelosi is reported to have said when asked this question. I see no reason to think she would be lying.


Who said she was lying? Not me.

Tell me this: if Trump offered Pelosi a track to full citizenship for Dreamers in exchange for a wall 10 feet long, do you think Pelosi would say “Nope! I said no wall and I meant no wall!”


Sure, but might as well ask what would happen if the moon were suddenly turned to cheese. Trump isn't giving citizenship to anyone, that would piss off his base far more than failing on the wall.

I think Pelosi should negotiate on border security in a smart way, not give him a wall which she has called a "man thing" and "immoral."

Trump will eventually be forced to pull his "national emergency" stunt which will ruin his credibility. And this, along with his eminent domain plans, will hang in the courts for the rest of his term and at the end of the day DACA kids will be protected, no wall, and Trump is perceived as a three time loser who couldn't get a damned thing done his last two years because he finally had oversight and didn't know how to govern in a bipartisan way.
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Pelosi on Trump: We could plant flowers on border and he’d say, ‘I got my wall’

WASHINGTON – At the end of a lunch Speaker Nancy Pelosi hosted for 13 journalists on Friday, she gestured toward the flowers on the table.

Of President Donald Trump, she said: “We could plant these flowers along the border” and he would say, “‘I got my wall.’”

Her remark speaks for itself about Trump, his inability to distinguish between his presidency and a contrived episode in a reality show and his sad compulsion to declare victory, no matter the facts.

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Erick Erickson, Conservative Atlanta based Radio Show Host

Donald Trump caved to Nancy Pelosi on shutdown, now the wall will never be built

President Trump announced Friday his willingness to end the shutdown for three weeks. During that time, he will use the State of the Union and other events to build pressure for a wall. In the words of Bill O’Reilly, “Political chess game continues. President Trump reopens government — a good thing. Gives Democrats three weeks to make a border security deal. Reasonable. Advantage Trump today.”

One is left to ponder how a more than month-long government shutdown that left federal workers unpaid was not enough to get a border security deal from the Democrats, but opening the government for three weeks will suddenly get them to the table.

The reality is that Democrats committed to a single idea. They needed to show they could make the president cave so they could make him look weak even to the president’s own base. They succeeded in doing just that.

The man who makes the best deals hoisted a white flag, which is an impossible event according to his hagiographers. After all, he fights.

Trump could now attempt an emergency declaration. A White House official tells me the argument is under Article IV, Section 4 of the Constitution. That provision requires the federal government to protect the several states from invasion. The president views the various migrant caravans and other border crossings as an invasion and will act to stop them.

Some of the president’s advisers believe this is a non-justiciable issue, meaning the federal courts will not be able to interfere with such action. It seems more likely another federal judge would issue an injunction to any action securing the border, tying this up in litigation for a long time. In other words, an emergency declaration would be creatively surrendering while giving the president the opportunity to blame judges.

A month ago, Trump intended to do exactly what he is now doing, i.e. fund the government with no border security funding. After being blasted by conservatives, the president walked that back and doubled down, causing a shutdown. Polling shows the public holds the president — not Democrats — responsible. The public has good reason to do so considering that Trump, on camera, said he would own shutting the government down.

This is Trump's weakest moment

This is undoubtedly the weakest moment of President Trump’s tenure in office. He handed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi a win by agreeing to postpone the State of the Union address and handed her a second win by caving on the government shutdown. The president may be the commander in chief of the American military, but Nancy Pelosi now looks like the commander in chief of Donald Trump. He has upset his relationship with Republicans just before the Mueller report comes out and on the day Roger Stone gets hauled off to jail.

Shortly after Trump made his announcement that the government would reopen, various pro-Trump pundits rushed out to praise the president’s leadership. Like O’Reilly, they seem to think this is a brilliant bit of strategy. Of course, they likely do not really think that. Behind the scenes, many of them feel betrayed and realize the president caved and looks weak. This highlights part of the problem that got the president into this mess in the first place.

The people Trump more often than not listens to would rather treat the president with worshipful reverence than give him candid advice. That cacophony of sycophancy has not only brought this presidency to its lowest point, but also ensured the wall they all want will never be built. This president, moving into 2020, needs less sycophants on speed dial and more hard nosed advisers who have his best interests, not their access to him, at heart.
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Res Ipsa wrote:Miller isn’t President, and he pushed a losing strategy this time.

This isn't the first time that's happened. It's really tough to know to what extent this admin is getting high on its own supply and believes incorrect things about their political standing.

I think one of the reasons that anti-immigration radicals keep winning battles inside the Trump Whitehouse is because Trump himself is an anti-immigration radical. He might not have the policy expertise of a wet napkin, but he has sympathies that can be pressed upon. I am more cautious than you.
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EAllusion wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:Miller isn’t President, and he pushed a losing strategy this time.

This isn't the first time that's happened. It's really tough to know to what extent this admin is getting high on its own supply and believes incorrect things about their political standing.

I think one of the reasons that anti-immigration radicals keep winning battles inside the Trump Whitehouse is because Trump himself is an anti-immigration radical. He might not have the policy expertise of a wet napkin, but he has sympathies that can be pressed upon. I am more cautious than you.

I think that’s perfectly reasonable.
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subs should read this part again a few times, slowly and out loud.

The people Trump more often than not listens to would rather treat the president with worshipful reverence than give him candid advice. That cacophony of sycophancy has not only brought this presidency to its lowest point, but also ensured the wall they all want will never be built. This president, moving into 2020, needs less sycophants on speed dial and more hard nosed advisers who have his best interests, not their access to him, at heart.
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While Trump is preparing a National Emergency over the BORDER...

The polar vortex has killed more people in one week than illegal immigrants have killed in 5 years.

Why no national emergency to build shelters for those dying in the streets?
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Kevin Graham wrote:While Trump is preparing a National Emergency over the BORDER...

The polar vortex has killed more people in one week than illegal immigrants have killed in 5 years.

Why no national emergency to build shelters for those dying in the streets?


We feel the impact of polar vortex almost every single winter and you don't hear us yapping about it out here in BFE. We deal with it. We already have shelters, and churches and other institutions, private citizens, open their doors to get folks off the street so just off the top of my head whatever is going on in the midwest and north east could possibly be attributed to a lack of preparedness or generally not giving a crap.
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