One thing that was mentioned to me was that our much revered President Abraham Lincoln, having issued the EP set about finding ways to relocate then freed slaves to other countries in order to get them out of the United States and leave them to colonize other areas of the world. In other words, he wasn't exactly on the up and up.
Situate yourself in Lincoln's office as he thinks this through.
So: we're about to take a large group of people, poor, brutalised, denied the chance to form normal secure families, most of them without any education, and who have been denied all opportunity to learn how to manage an independent life, and we are going to say 'Here you are, free at last! Oh, as well as having all those problems I just mentioned ... you have to try to live in a society where the people around you mostly hate and despise you on sight, and think you were better off enslaved. So, it's bound to work out well for you and your kids. Don't you agree?'
Does is seem so unaccountable that Lincoln might for a while have wondered whether the best place for all those freed slaves to live was the place where they had been slaves? The fact that he thought that way for a while does not necessarily make him a monster of depravity.
Of course as it turned out, Frederick Douglass spoke for most ex-slaves when he said, in effect "Here we were born, and here we shall stay.' And that's how it was managed.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Lincoln once gave a speech where he agreed with the sentiment behind voluntary relocation to Africa (Liberia) as a solution to slavery, though he suggested it was impractical. It's been a while, but if I remember correctly, his attitude was more, "Sounds nice, but it probably isn't gonna work." Lincoln's views changed in the later years of his life as the civil war radicalized him, and understanding his views in his time also means understanding how they differed over time. Before he died, he had worked very hard on citizenship and equal protection under the law for former slaves.
Anglo Saxons and other natives of the British isles were enslaved. And yes our law is built off precedents set in English common law. Blacks are not the only people ever enslaved.
When Gunnar cuts me a check I'll consider paying reparations.
Gunnar do you want to pay reparations? How much have uou paid thus far? Do you have white privilege even though your people weren't here before the civil war?
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Anglo Saxons and other natives of the British isles were enslaved. And yes our law is built off precedents set in English common law. Blacks are not the only people ever enslaved.
When Gunnar cuts me a check I'll consider paying reparations.
Gunnar do you want to pay reparations? How much have uou paid thus far? Do you have white privilege even though your people weren't here before the civil war?
You are aware that reparations of they type you are talking about is the US government providing recompense for the US government's actions, correct?
Where did the Amerinds get their American land? They conquered other Indians. Do they search out remnants of these people they conquered looking to pay reparations?
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
You are aware that reparations of they type you are talking about is the US government providing recompense for the US government's actions, correct?
Why is that all we're allowed to talk about? Why is it all we ever talk about? And since you mentioned Japan, how much has Japan paid the US in reparations for the unprovoked attack on Pearl Harbor? My great grandad was there. Where's my check? Sounds outrageus doen't it?
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Serious question(s). Why can’t welfare in its various forms, section 8 housing, equal opportunity, preferential hiring, preferential acceptance rates to colleges and universities, and other forms of race-based scale tipping not be considered reparations? I’ll give you an example that hit closed to home from the Clinton era:
tl;dr - Minority promotions were given a priority within the military to increase representation across the board. The obvious implications were less whites would be promoted - arguably less worthy whites would be passed over for worthy minorities who were previously victims of discrimination, OR arguably less qualified personnel would be selected because of their melatonin and genitalia. Pick your poison.
You are aware that reparations of they type you are talking about is the US government providing recompense for the US government's actions, correct?
Why is that all we're allowed to talk about? Why is it all we ever talk about?
You said the very idea of reparations actually being paid would never happen and the idea is laughable.
To quote you, "I'd venture to say we can all find an ancestor who was enslaved or had his land taken in war. Reparations were never paid nor have they ever been paid. The idea is laughable."
Public and private organizations, including both federal and local government, have paid reparations multiple times in US history. I listed a famous example where people's land was taken in war and then compensated later on by the US government. Now you're complaining that's all we ever talk about? You got a lot of examples of internment reparations conversation going on here? Just a second ago, you seemed utterly ignorant of its existence.
Assuming we don't fall into a semi-permanent right-wing authoritarian government, which is a live possibility, there's a decent chance that we're going to be paying reparations to victims of Trump's separation policy at some point in the future. Looking forward to being taxed to pay for that. It's like having to pay for civil judgements related to police misconduct, but on a much worse scale.
Reparations to illegal immigrants? Yeah, it's coming. I don't doubt it for a second
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.