Impeachment hearings

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Re: Impeachment hearings

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mikwut, this is a strange defense.


No it really isn't. That really happened and it is the catalyst for such a poor relationship between the mainstream media and the President. The person who is falsely accused of something is the first person to know he is being falsely accused.

The President takes issue with some characterizations of his actions by reputable press members, and you see that as a reason to call them “the enemy of the people”? And to do so from the ultimate bully pulpit?


I don't understand how minimizing referring to the President from the beginning of his first term, as traitor to this country, and it is false, doesn't deserve very strong replies and rebuke. It does. There are valid criticisms that can be made like the President going too broad in attempt to puritanize the press, but for the press to not clean up its own house is not something I accept.

Are you sure that Trump’s issue isn't actually that the press may not always agree with him - and for good measure - as opposed to the press being the enemy of the general public?


I'm sure it is in there as well. But the general public in a Democratic Republic voted him into office and the Press refers to him as traitor and Puppet of Putin. That vile accusation in a country like ours was indeed unproven yet the press continually attempted to foist that charge on the "people". When he is referring to that aspect of the press and other falsehoods which I have also criticized here as well the shoe does kind of fit.

And then you liken legitimate complaints against the President’s behavior as accusing him of being a pedophile? Hmm.


Likened to in taint and seriousness. I likened it to falsely calling him a traitor. And I stand by it. What is the legitimate complaint you are referring to because I was analogizing it with traitor to his country.

Should I expect that the rest of your defense of Trump is similarly skewed into the same kind of hysteria and unrestrained Trumpian apologia? I haven’t read it yet; had to stop and clean the coffee off of my keyboard after reading just that first part.


This is where you get it so wrong. If I was commenting in a Trump forum I would criticize the other way. Here the criticism is with the press and those that jump in line with it like toy soldiers instead being more thoughtful. I give that same criticism to Fox news. It is a hot mess and my criticisms are to every side of it, is perfectly warranted. You and so many on this board who have this ridiculous notion that there are sides to take that untainted and clean is my real criticism. It is virtue signaling BS and partisanship claptrap. You do not live in a world where on side is clean. No sides are.

Then hysteria you say?!??! Hysteria?!?!?? I am the one who posted about hysteria? I did not produce hysteria. I posted against it. This is a madhouse sometimes. He is not puppet of Putin Ok. That is hysteria. He is a lot of critical things. But he is not that. That is hysteria. It is bufoonery.

(on a side note, I can hardly imagine how repulsed you were when Fox News spent 8 years blaming Obama for every bad thing under the sun and pushed both the birtherism and ‘secret Muslim’ accusations against him. Lol.)


Well I wish we were at the family table so I could refer to all my criticisms of Fox News. I find it as repulsive as CNN and MSNBC. I have consistently said that on this board - read my posts, Doc just linked them. I have and will continue to state the press is liable for creating a wwe atmosphere that role casts onto the public whoever they want their cognitive blinders to to melt with is there with open arms. It is buffet of cognitive dissonance and hate for whatever your personality type. That is its evil. That includes Fox News.

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mikwut wrote: ... the general public in a Democratic Republic voted [Trump] into office


Nope. Most of the general public who voted in the 2016 election voted for Clinton. Trump lost the popular vote.

The Electoral College voted Trump into office.
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mikwut wrote:I have consistently said that on this board - read my posts, Doc just linked them.



mikwut, you need to learn to read a little more carefully.


Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Here's a link to all of Mikwut's posts on this forum:

https://giphy.com/explore/dismissive

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Or maybe Cam’s link is indeed the totality of all you’re saying. He does complain that the Right can’t or doesn’t read.
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mikwut wrote:
... the general public in a Democratic Republic voted [Trump] into office

Nope. Most of the general public who voted in the 2016 election voted for Clinton. Trump lost the popular vote.

The Electoral College voted Trump into office.


That electoral college zinger you think was a zinger is commonly understood among educated people to be found within the term "Republic" when referring to the United States.

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Hi Morley,

You are correct. I at least need to read the link more carefully. I actually thought he was linking my posts.

That was funny.

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mikwut wrote:
mikwut wrote:
... the general public in a Democratic Republic voted [Trump] into office

Nope. Most of the general public who voted in the 2016 election voted for Clinton. Trump lost the popular vote.

The Electoral College voted Trump into office.


That electoral college zinger you think was a zinger is commonly understood among educated people to be found within the term "Republic" when referring to the United States.

mikwut

Educated people also understand what a reference is. A reference to the US voting system is not the same as a reference to the general public.
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Hi Darkhelmet:

When the intelligence agencies of the US say all the evidence points to Russia meddling in the 2016 election, but Trump disputes them and publicly sides with Putin repeatedly even as the evidence mounts, how is the american press supposed to respond? Are they wrong to call him Putin's puppet? What would be a better description? Or should the press just shut up and let Trump do whatever he wants?


I am criticizing the press for creating falsehoods that we now know to be falsehoods. They did not have verified evidence for the touting of accusations they made. We know that now. What they should do is say mea culpa. They might get a better relationship but even if they don't then I could at least start defending them.

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Schmoe,

Educated people also understand what a reference is. A reference to the US voting system is not the same as a reference to the general public.


Why on earth do you want to fight it out on that stupid hill?

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mikwut wrote:Schmoe,

Educated people also understand what a reference is. A reference to the US voting system is not the same as a reference to the general public.


Why on earth do you want to fight it out on that stupid hill?

mikwut

milkwute,

I don't. That was all I was going to say about it, but since you asked...

This is just another in a series of examples of you misspeaking and just expecting it to fly, when the very essence of your mistake makes all the difference to its meaning. My guess is that you double talk yourself, then try it out on others.
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mikwut wrote:Hi Darkhelmet:

When the intelligence agencies of the US say all the evidence points to Russia meddling in the 2016 election, but Trump disputes them and publicly sides with Putin repeatedly even as the evidence mounts, how is the american press supposed to respond? Are they wrong to call him Putin's puppet? What would be a better description? Or should the press just shut up and let Trump do whatever he wants?


I am criticizing the press for creating falsehoods that we now know to be falsehoods. They did not have verified evidence for the touting of accusations they made. We know that now. What they should do is say mea culpa. They might get a better relationship but even if they don't then I could at least start defending them.

mikwut


You specifically used the example of the press being critical of Trump for choosing to stand with Putin over his own intelligence agencies and other US government officials. What was false about that?
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