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Iranian Pres Speech...
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:00 pm
by _Roger Morrison
Did it hit too close to home? Why did the USA absence itself? Especially being the host country, for born-again Pres Bush to not attend is nothing less than an expression of ignorance and arrogance that discredits the generous hospitable spirit of the vast majority of American people that i have experinced. Pasted below is a segment of MM's speech. Had it been made by Tony Blair, it would have received a standing ovation...
"Today, humanity passionately craves for commitment to the Truth, devotion to God, enforcement of justice and respect for the dignity of human beings, elimination of domination and aggression, defense of the oppressed. And a longing for peace constitutes the legitimate demand of the peoples of the world, particularly the new generations and the spirited youth, who aspire a world free from decadence, aggression and injustice, and replete with love and compassion. The youth have a right to seek justice and the Truth; and they have a right to build their own future on the foundations of love, compassion and tranquility. And, I praise the Almighty for this immense blessing.
"Madame President,
"Excellencies,
"What afflicts humanity today is certainly not compatible with human dignity; the Almighty has not created human beings so that they could transgress on others and oppress them.
"By causing war and conflict, some are fast expanding their domination, accumulating greater wealth and usurping all resources, while others endure the resulting poverty, suffering and misery.
"Some seek to rule the world relying on weapons and threats, while others live in perpetual insecurity and danger.
"Some occupy the homeland of others, thousands of kilometers away from their borders, interfere in their affairs and control their oil and other resources and strategic routes, while others are bombarded daily in their own homes; their children murdered in the streets and alleys of their own country and their homes reduced to rubble.
It is easy to name-call and scoff at the Iranian President. As at CU... To disagree with THEIR social standards, as they do ours, is a matter of reality. Some might even be offended that they believe in the same "God" in Iran as is believed in America. So be it.
But, the fact of Universal suffering, disparity, and injustice that he addressed are the same problems recognized by most thinking, feeling, empathetic folks world wide. These are the issues that should unite human efforts. Where the BILLIONS of military $$$ should be directed. That there are things difficult for US to understand, and agree with, in THEIR culture, is beside the point when considering the more important: Our supposed common concern for poverty and health...
I respectfully suggest GOOGLING his full speech... Warm regards, Roger
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:09 pm
by _dartagnan
The man is a proven liar who was involved in the Iranian hostage crisis during the 70's.
He pumps out some canned feel good commentary and you think he is sincere?
Re: Iranian Pres Speech...
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:10 pm
by _richardMdBorn
Roger Morrison wrote:Did it hit too close to home? Why did the USA absence itself? Especially being the host country, for born-again Pres Bush to not attend is nothing less than an expression of ignorance and arrogance that discredits the generous hospitable spirit of the vast majority of American people that I have experinced.
Iran declared war on the US in 1979. They have not revoked this declaration. They are murdering American soldiers in Iraq. President Bush did the right thing by not attending.Pasted below is a segment of MM's speech. Had it been made by Tony Blair, it would have received a standing ovation...
"Today, humanity passionately craves for commitment to the Truth, devotion to God, enforcement of justice and respect for the dignity of human beings, elimination of domination and aggression, defense of the oppressed. And a longing for peace constitutes the legitimate demand of the peoples of the world, particularly the new generations and the spirited youth, who aspire a world free from decadence, aggression and injustice, and replete with love and compassion. The youth have a right to seek justice and the Truth; and they have a right to build their own future on the foundations of love, compassion and tranquility. And, I praise the Almighty for this immense blessing.
"Madame President,
"Excellencies,
"What afflicts humanity today is certainly not compatible with human dignity; the Almighty has not created human beings so that they could transgress on others and oppress them.
"By causing war and conflict, some are fast expanding their domination, accumulating greater wealth and usurping all resources, while others endure the resulting poverty, suffering and misery.
"Some seek to rule the world relying on weapons and threats, while others live in perpetual insecurity and danger.
"Some occupy the homeland of others, thousands of kilometers away from their borders, interfere in their affairs and control their oil and other resources and strategic routes, while others are bombarded daily in their own homes; their children murdered in the streets and alleys of their own country and their homes reduced to rubble.
It is easy to name-call and scoff at the Iranian President. As at CU... To disagree with THEIR social standards, as they do ours, is a matter of reality. Some might even be offended that they believe in the same "God" in Iran as is believed in America. So be it.
But, the fact of Universal suffering, disparity, and injustice that he addressed are the same problems recognized by most thinking, feeling, empathetic folks world wide. These are the issues that should unite human efforts. Where the BILLIONS of military $$$ should be directed. That there are things difficult for US to understand, and agree with, in THEIR culture, is beside the point when considering the more important: Our supposed common concern for poverty and health...
I respectfully suggest GOOGLING his full speech... Warm regards, Roger
Yes, we should not scoff at people who want to wipe out Israel. The Soviets had great rhetoric too while they were murdering tens of millions of people. It appears that Roger would have been one of those Westerners praising Stalin in the 1930s. The Soviet Constitution in the 1930s promised great things too. What they delivered was the Gulag
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:15 pm
by _Jason Bourne
Sorry Roger. I may be all for getting along. But this man is a known liar, is making outrageous statements about the Holocaust, Israel, threatens them and the US, is working toward become a nuclear power, and it responsible for state sponsored terrorism. He speeches of let's all get along ring hollow based on what he does. We cannot afford to pull a Neville Chamberlian with this very dangerous man. I do not think he should have been allowed on American soil. He is clearly our enemy.
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:34 pm
by _Roger Morrison
dartagnan wrote:The man is a proven liar who was involved in the Iranian hostage crisis during the 70's.
He pumps out some canned feel good commentary and you think he is sincere?
Hi Dart, this is now 2007... As sincere as many politician i hear... I give him the benefit of the doubt... Why not?? Warm regards, Roger
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:38 pm
by _truth dancer
Hey Roger... :-)
"By causing war and conflict, some are fast expanding their domination, accumulating greater wealth and usurping all resources, while others endure the resulting poverty, suffering and misery.
"Some seek to rule the world relying on weapons and threats, while others live in perpetual insecurity and danger.
"Some occupy the homeland of others, thousands of kilometers away from their borders, interfere in their affairs and control their oil and other resources and strategic routes, while others are bombarded daily in their own homes; their children murdered in the streets and alleys of their own country and their homes reduced to rubble.
He is basically ripping on America here... perhaps rightly so nevertheless, I think Bush's choice is understandable. :-)
~dancer~
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:49 pm
by _dartagnan
Hi Dart, this is now 2007... As sincere as many politician I hear... I give him the benefit of the doubt... Why not??
Because he is a proven liar, not just then, but
now as well. It was just recently he said he wanted to destroy Israel. It was just recently he insulted the intelligence of the masses by stating no gays exist in his country. This he said as a means to bypass any explanation of their persecution. And you think he gives a flying flip about human rights and oppression. How much nonsense do you need to hear...
This is just a canned sermon designed to get everyone's attention at the UN while his real complaint regarding human rights has to do with the US in the Middle-East and the oppression of the Palestinians. Occupying foreign lands he says. Gee, I wonder what he is referring to! He is a Muslim speaking on behalf of Muslims who he feels should be ruling the world. Muslims have traditionally lived as superiors to all non-Muslims, and it drives the Mid-East countries nuts to see Muslim Palestinians ruled over by non-Muslims, especially Jews.
I mean really... how can anyone give this idiot any credibility when he flat out denies the holocaust took place. Everything is a conspiracy for these crack pots. Giving him a pulpit is not doing anyone any favors. It is the propagation of further ignorance.
Re: Iranian Pres Speech...
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:12 pm
by _Roger Morrison
Hi Richard, i'm a bit surprised by Your reaction... I'll be in italics:
richardMdBorn wrote:Roger Morrison wrote:Did it hit too close to home? Why did the USA absence itself? Especially being the host country, for born-again Pres Bush to not attend is nothing less than an expression of ignorance and arrogance that discredits the generous hospitable spirit of the vast majority of American people that I have experinced.
Iran declared war on the US in 1979. They have not revoked this declaration. They are murdering American soldiers in Iraq. President Bush did the right thing by not attending.RM: And US invaded VN without declaring war!? Since when are soldiers murdered during a war?? They are killed in action, by friendly fire, ambushed etc. From what i read and hear, many Americans do not agree with Bush spurning MM...Pasted below is a segment of MM's speech. Had it been made by Tony Blair, it would have received a standing ovation...
"Today, humanity passionately craves for commitment to the Truth, devotion to God, enforcement of justice and respect for the dignity of human beings, elimination of domination and aggression, defense of the oppressed. And a longing for peace constitutes the legitimate demand of the peoples of the world, particularly the new generations and the spirited youth, who aspire a world free from decadence, aggression and injustice, and replete with love and compassion. The youth have a right to seek justice and the Truth; and they have a right to build their own future on the foundations of love, compassion and tranquility. And, I praise the Almighty for this immense blessing.
"Madame President,
"Excellencies,
"What afflicts humanity today is certainly not compatible with human dignity; the Almighty has not created human beings so that they could transgress on others and oppress them.
"By causing war and conflict, some are fast expanding their domination, accumulating greater wealth and usurping all resources, while others endure the resulting poverty, suffering and misery.
"Some seek to rule the world relying on weapons and threats, while others live in perpetual insecurity and danger.
"Some occupy the homeland of others, thousands of kilometers away from their borders, interfere in their affairs and control their oil and other resources and strategic routes, while others are bombarded daily in their own homes; their children murdered in the streets and alleys of their own country and their homes reduced to rubble.
It is easy to name-call and scoff at the Iranian President. As at CU... To disagree with THEIR social standards, as they do ours, is a matter of reality. Some might even be offended that they believe in the same "God" in Iran as is believed in America. So be it.
But, the fact of Universal suffering, disparity, and injustice that he addressed are the same problems recognized by most thinking, feeling, empathetic folks world wide. These are the issues that should unite human efforts. Where the BILLIONS of military $$$ should be directed. That there are things difficult for US to understand, and agree with, in THEIR culture, is beside the point when considering the more important: Our supposed common concern for poverty and health...
I respectfully suggest GOOGLING his full speech... Warm regards, Roger
Yes, we should not scoff at people who want to wipe out Israel. RM: Why so? They are inhabiting land taken from others, not 'rightfully' theirs... The Soviets had great rhetoric too while they were murdering tens of millions of people. RM: Yes, and the Allies where glad to cooperate with them... It appears that Roger would have been one of those Westerners praising Stalin in the 1930s. RM: Sorry you think that Richard. It is a total figment of Your imagination... The Soviet Constitution in the 1930s promised great things too. What they delivered was the GulagRM: Many wonder had they not been challenged by "The Cold War" to spend their VERY Scarce resources--recall their 25,000,000 human loss, and the devastation of property, industry etc--on defence, their promises might have come true following the brutal Stalin regime. Conjecture of course. None the less a possibility that Capitalism could not countenance... Recall also "Sputnic"???[/b]
Seems i got carried away and became [b]"Bold" but did soften it with
"Italics"... Warm regards, Roger
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:32 pm
by _Who Knows
dartagnan wrote:The man...was involved in the Iranian hostage crisis during the 70's.
I remember something about that when he was first elected. But i thought they later said it wasn't the same guy. What's the real story here?
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:46 pm
by _Jason Bourne
dartagnan wrote:Hi Dart, this is now 2007... As sincere as many politician I hear... I give him the benefit of the doubt... Why not??
Because he is a proven liar, not just then, but
now as well. It was just recently he said he wanted to destroy Israel. It was just recently he insulted the intelligence of the masses by stating no gays exist in his country. This he said as a means to bypass any explanation of their persecution. And you think he gives a flying flip about human rights and oppression. How much nonsense do you need to hear...
This is just a canned sermon designed to get everyone's attention at the UN while his real complaint regarding human rights has to do with the US in the Middle-East and the oppression of the Palestinians. Occupying foreign lands he says. Gee, I wonder what he is referring to! He is a Muslim speaking on behalf of Muslims who he feels should be ruling the world. Muslims have traditionally lived as superiors to all non-Muslims, and it drives the Mid-East countries nuts to see Muslim Palestinians ruled over by non-Muslims, especially Jews.
I mean really... how can anyone give this idiot any credibility when he flat out denies the holocaust took place. Everything is a conspiracy for these crack pots. Giving him a pulpit is not doing anyone any favors. It is the propagation of further ignorance.
Agreed. The man back Hezbollah, his state is a terrorist state. He is the Hitler of our day.