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Dr. Shades wrote:

Who Knows wrote:The fact that 9/11 was a conspiracy - an inside job.

I was talking about his documentation of the thermite cuts in the support beams.

What, are you a 9/11 conspiracy theorist?

To an extent. I think it's clear that someone knew the planes were coming and made sure the buildings fell, but who is up for debate.

Popular Mechanics has done a wonderful job of refuting the 911 conspiracy folks (the Loose Change folks and others)..

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... 27842.html

Shades, what's your evidence?

The absurdity of the controlled demolition theory is shown by the fact that police helicopters saw signs of the impending collapse well before it happened.

Scientists investigating the Sept. 11, 2001 collapse of the twin towers said, "the World Trade Center towers showed telltale signs they were about to collapse several minutes before each crumbled to the ground." There would not be telltale signs if it was explosives (Controlled Demolition) that caused the buildings to collapse.

"In the case of the north tower, police chopper pilots reported seeing the warning signs - an inward bowing of the building facade - at least eight minutes before it collapsed at 10:29 a.m." New York Daily News reporter Paul Shin wrote in his June 19th, 2004 article 9/11 cops saw collapse coming.

"Federal engineering investigators studying the destruction of the World Trade Center's twin towers on Sept. 11 said New York Police Department aviation units reported an inward bowing of the buildings' columns in the minutes before they collapsed, a signal they were about to fall.

http://www.geocities.com/factsnotfantasy/ExplosivesDebunked.html

I've read this before, but in a different version (not PM, which I've now read). The conspiracy theorists don't have a leg to stand on.

"What's my evidence," you ask? Well, I doubt there's anything I could say that you don't already know. But I strongly suspected a conspiracy right then during 9/11 itself. The whole thing just screamed out "Reichstag Fire" to me.

Regardless of what Popular Mechanics says, physics don't change.

Thermate (a patented demolitions substance) residue was found.

Thermite cuts were shown and there is no force on earth that could have "naturally" sheared those support beams at such an angle.

And pancaking takes time. It is physically impossible for building to pancake at freefall speeds.

Regardless of who did it or why, just from the above proven facts, it's obvious that it was intentional.

Add to that the explosions that occurred in the lower levels before the collapse and I think you have a pretty serious case for thinking that it was intentional.

See here.

What do you suppose the odds are that the hijackers flying the planes, or the military pilots if you buy into the conspiracy theories, would be able to just fly an airliner on max throttle, at an angle, right into each tower at exactly the very floors that the demolition charges were planted at? Don't you conspiracy people think it's really quite a coincidence that the "demolition charges" went off and started the buildings falling down at exactly the point where the planes impacted? And given how much jet fuel and other flammable substances were involved, don't you find it in the least bit curious that the demolition charges weren't disrupted by the impact of the planes, the raging fires, and whatnot, for the hour or so that it took before the demolition charges were finally set off so that the buildings could go down?

You don't find it the least bit far-fetched that a set of carefully-placed demolition charges could survive with their detonator circuitry and wiring intact and functional while attached to the very beams that a f*****g 767 loaded with jet fuel going 500 mph shredded itself on in a cataclysmic inferno, so that these same charges could be set off an hour later?

Sethbag wrote:What do you suppose the odds are that the hijackers flying the planes, or the military pilots if you buy into the conspiracy theories, would be able to just fly an airliner on max throttle, at an angle, right into each tower at exactly the very floors that the demolition charges were planted at? Don't you conspiracy people think it's really quite a coincidence that the "demolition charges" went off and started the buildings falling down at exactly the point where the planes impacted? And given how much jet fuel and other flammable substances were involved, don't you find it in the least bit curious that the demolition charges weren't disrupted by the impact of the planes, the raging fires, and whatnot, for the hour or so that it took before the demolition charges were finally set off so that the buildings could go down?

You don't find it the least bit far-fetched that a set of carefully-placed demolition charges could survive with their detonator circuitry and wiring intact and functional while attached to the very beams that a f*cking 767 loaded with jet fuel going 500 mph shredded itself on in a cataclysmic inferno, so that these same charges could be set off an hour later?

Apparently, you're not at all familiar with what I was talking about, so I'd recommend you look into a little bit more before you try to discredit something.

To an extent. I think it's clear that someone knew the planes were coming and made sure the buildings fell, but who is up for debate.

The assassination of Ahmed Shah Massoud on 9/9/01 shows that bin Laden knew the attack was coming. It's possible that Iran knew about it. The controlled demolition theory causes more problems than it solves.

Dr. Shades wrote:"What's my evidence," you ask? Well, I doubt there's anything I could say that you don't already know. But I strongly suspected a conspiracy right then during 9/11 itself. The whole thing just screamed out "Reichstag Fire" to me.

In my more cynic moments I take a look at the whole picture and think that perhaps Bush's hawkish inner circle probably looked at the issue as a chance to take the military car out of the garage and give it a spin, but I don't think they would be in cohoots with the terrorists. Probably more of a breakdown in the bureaucracy and Bush's handlers using the chance to implement some of their foreign policy ideals on the world than a conspiracy.