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Here's a great 12-minute Keith Olbermann rant about George Bush that I found cathartic and entertaining.

Wow! It was like watching Network all over again.

Great stuff.

What has amazed me about American media, is that the interviewers shout over those who have different views (O'Reilly). Its good there are alternatives to Fox and the others. The Huffington Post for example gives more news. Fox raves on about whether Obama is wearing a pin, or something Michelle said about her country. There seems to be an inability of some Americans to admit the country has done some bad things to its fellow human beings.For example slavery for a couple of hundred years and a further 100 of segregation. James Cone's interview with Bill Moyers about The Cross and the Hanging Tree was revealing that ever after the Civil war blacks were being hung. What kind of crimes were they? Did they merit hanging. Why did it become a spectator event. The pics reminded me of some i saw on a dvd on Dietrich Bonhoeffer, with jews hanging off posts, and a Nazi soldier with his boot on the head of another.
The cannot for the life of me see how you will have peace in the Middle East with all the land on the West Bank being annexed by Israel. If the Palestinian objects "terrorist". Its ironic that Bush is asking the Saudi King for help with oil prices and yet talks about democracy in Iraq and freedom for its people. Hellooooooooo I know aussies who have worked in Arabia and they say its a theocracy, a place where Christians cannot practice there faith.

I saw this live. Twas hardcore.

What has amazed me about American media, is that the interviewers shout over those who have different views (O'Reilly). Its good there are alternatives to Fox and the others. The Huffington Post for example gives more news. Fox raves on about whether Obama is wearing a pin, or something Michelle said about her country. There seems to be an inability of some Americans to admit the country has done some bad things to its fellow human beings.For example slavery for a couple of hundred years and a further 100 of segregation. James Cone's interview with Bill Moyers about The Cross and the Hanging Tree was revealing that ever after the Civil war blacks were being hung. What kind of crimes were they? Did they merit hanging. Why did it become a spectator event. The pics reminded me of some I saw on a dvd on Dietrich Bonhoeffer, with jews hanging off posts, and a Nazi soldier with his boot on the head of another.
The cannot for the life of me see how you will have peace in the Middle East with all the land on the West Bank being annexed by Israel. If the Palestinian objects "terrorist". Its ironic that Bush is asking the Saudi King for help with oil prices and yet talks about democracy in Iraq and freedom for its people. Hellooooooooo I know aussies who have worked in Arabia and they say its a theocracy, a place where Christians cannot practice there faith.

I had no idea until now that both the Australian mainstream media and the Australian public school system were in the same intellectual shambles as our own.

This bodes, if it is common in that country, as ill for the continuation of a free, civil society in that country as similar intellectual vacuity bodes ill here. As just one example of the several mentioned here, the very idea that the problems between Israel and the Palestinians have anything to do with the occupied territories is just precious. If ignorance is really bliss, modern leftism is pure, undiluted cognitive heroin.

Keith Olbermann is a textbook example of what most of the mainstream media is really like when they're naked in the shower. Olbermann has somehow, up to this point been able to avoid Air America Radio's fate only by being attached to the mainstream media and being, as was pointed out, entertaining. Olbermann is no more a journalist then Barbara Walters, but Walters, despite the intellectual fluffiness common to many in the mainstream media, can at least keep her tin foil hats in the closet at home out of the site of her audience.

Droopy wrote:Keith Olbermann is a textbook example of what most of the mainstream media is really like when they're naked in the shower. Olbermann has somehow, up to this point been able to avoid Air America Radio's fate only by being attached to the mainstream media and being, as was pointed out, entertaining. Olbermann is no more a journalist then Barbara Walters, but Walters, despite the intellectual fluffiness common to many in the mainstream media, can at least keep her tin foil hats in the closet at home out of the site of her audience.

Who in your opinion is a journalist then?

Olbermann has a BA in Communications from Cornell.
Walters has a BA in English from Sarah Laurence College.

Bond...James Bond wrote:

Droopy wrote:Keith Olbermann is a textbook example of what most of the mainstream media is really like when they're naked in the shower. Olbermann has somehow, up to this point been able to avoid Air America Radio's fate only by being attached to the mainstream media and being, as was pointed out, entertaining. Olbermann is no more a journalist then Barbara Walters, but Walters, despite the intellectual fluffiness common to many in the mainstream media, can at least keep her tin foil hats in the closet at home out of the site of her audience.

Who in your opinion is a journalist then?

Olbermann has a BA in Communications from Cornell.
Walters has a BA in English from Sarah Laurence College.

These official credentials are, or course, of little relevance to the manner in which these people have chosen to comport themselves during the bulk of their careers. I would say a "real" journalist is fair minded and balanced in their reporting, which would not only involve the airing of different legitimates sides of an issue or event, but the choice of what to report. Serious checking of facts and evidence, as well as intellectual substance would also be factors (all of which are seriously lacking in today's leftist factoid/activism/fluff story oriented media). A real journalist would make serious attempts at objectivity and balance in their reporting, and not simply behave as shills and cheerleaders for fashionable causes to which they subscribe. A real journalist would make every attempt to remain dispassionate about his material, and not take a side on every issue he reports before it is reported, or deemed newsworthy.

Droopy wrote:

Bond...James Bond wrote:

Droopy wrote:Keith Olbermann is a textbook example of what most of the mainstream media is really like when they're naked in the shower. Olbermann has somehow, up to this point been able to avoid Air America Radio's fate only by being attached to the mainstream media and being, as was pointed out, entertaining. Olbermann is no more a journalist then Barbara Walters, but Walters, despite the intellectual fluffiness common to many in the mainstream media, can at least keep her tin foil hats in the closet at home out of the site of her audience.

Who in your opinion is a journalist then?

Olbermann has a BA in Communications from Cornell.
Walters has a BA in English from Sarah Laurence College.

These official credentials are, or course, of little relevance to the manner in which these people have chosen to comport themselves during the bulk of their careers. I would say a "real" journalist is fair minded and balanced in their reporting, which would not only involve the airing of different legitimates sides of an issue or event, but the choice of what to report. Serious checking of facts and evidence, as well as intellectual substance would also be factors (all of which are seriously lacking in today's leftist factoid/activism/fluff story oriented media). A real journalist would make serious attempts at objectivity and balance in their reporting, and not simply behave as shills and cheerleaders for fashionable causes to which they subscribe. A real journalist would make every attempt to remain dispassionate about his material, and not take a side on every issue he reports before it is reported, or deemed newsworthy.

So, back to Bond's question: Who in your opinion is a "real" journalist?

Droopy wrote:These official credentials are, or course, of little relevance to the manner in which these people have chosen to comport themselves during the bulk of their careers. I would say a "real" journalist is fair minded and balanced in their reporting, which would not only involve the airing of different legitimates sides of an issue or event, but the choice of what to report. Serious checking of facts and evidence, as well as intellectual substance would also be factors (all of which are seriously lacking in today's leftist factoid/activism/fluff story oriented media). A real journalist would make serious attempts at objectivity and balance in their reporting, and not simply behave as shills and cheerleaders for fashionable causes to which they subscribe. A real journalist would make every attempt to remain dispassionate about his material, and not take a side on every issue he reports before it is reported, or deemed newsworthy.

That is a great discription of alot of the right wing blowhearts. Do you include Hannity, Limbaugh, etc in the mainstream media who are all about fluff?