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Obama's "Harvard" credentials

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:50 am
by _dartagnan
I'm so sick of hearing intelligent people say stupid things, such as "Obama is intelligent because he went to Harvard." DOesn't anyone even consider it a red flag that Obama hasn't produced a single piece of scholarship for anyone to judge for themselves? His "eloquence" is a result of great speech writing as he reads from a teleprompter. That doesn't prove intelligence any more than a degree from Harvard would. Here is an interesting piece that might explain why Obama's book probably wasn't written by him and why his Harvard credential might not be all that its cracked up to be.

Obama did not do nearly well enough at his previous stop, Columbia University, to justify admission to Harvard Law.

According to the New York Sun, university spokesman Brian Connolly confirmed that Obama graduated in 1983 with a major in political science but without honors.

In the age of affirmative action and grade inflation, a minority in a relatively easy major like political science had to under-perform dramatically to avoid minimal honors. Obama apparently did just that.
The specifics we may never know. As the New York Times concedes, Obama "declined repeated requests to talk about his New York years, release his Columbia transcript or identify even a single fellow student, co-worker, roommate or friend from those years."

Would that Bristol Palin could get off so easily!

There are any number of possible reasons for Obama's reticence about Columbia: his grades, the courses he took, his writing samples and, of course, his associations.

At that time, for instance, both Bill Ayers and Obama fell within the orbit of left-wing Columbia superstar Edward Said. Just recently out of hiding, Ayers was attending the Bank Street College of Education, which adjoins the Columbia campus.

Five years after leaving Columbia, Obama decided on law school. His lack of resources did not deter him from thinking big. Nor did his B-minus effort at his Hawaii preparation school or his equally indifferent grades at Columbia.

As Obama relates in "Dreams From My Father," he limited his choices to only three law schools – "Harvard, Yale, Stanford." (It must be nice to be Obama.) He does not mention his connections.

Harvard Law School is notoriously difficult to get into. Annually, some 7,000 applications apply for some 500 seats. Applicant LSAT scores generally chart in the 98 to 99 percentile range, and GPAs average between 3.80 and 3.95.

If Obama's LSAT scores merited admission, we would know about them. We don't. The Obama camp guards those scores, like his SAT scores, more tightly that Iran does its nuclear secrets.
We know enough about Obama's Columbia grades to know how far they fall below the Harvard norm, likely even below the affirmative action-adjusted black norm at Harvard.

As far back as 1988, however, Obama had serious pull. He would need it. As previously reported, Khalid al-Mansour, principle adviser to Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, lobbied friends like Manhattan Borough President Percy Sutton to intervene at Harvard on Obama's behalf.
An orthodox Muslim, al-Mansour has not met the crackpot anti-Semitic theory he could not embrace. As for bin Talal, in October 2001, New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani sent his $10 million relief check back un-cashed after the Saudi billionaire blamed 9/11 on America.
For an insight into the Khalid al-Mansour connection, see see this video.

These are not connections that Obama would like to see broadcast, which further explains his shyness about the Harvard experience.
There is more. Obama did not make the Harvard Law Review (HLR) the old-fashioned way, the way HLR's first black editor, Charles Houston, did 70 years prior.

To Obama's good fortune, the HLR had replaced a meritocracy in which editors were elected based on grades – the president being the student with the highest academic rank – with one in which half the editors were chosen through a writing competition.

This competition, the New York Times reported in 1990, was "meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review."
It did just that. At the end of his first year, Obama was named, along with 40 or so of his classmates, an editor of the HLR.

Unlike most editors, and likely all its presidents, Obama was not a writer. During his tenure at Harvard, he wrote only one heavily edited, unsigned note.

In this note for the third volume of the 1990 HLR, he argued against any limits on abortion, citing the government's interest in "preventing increasing numbers of children from being born in to lives of pain and despair."

Obama's timing, however, was better than his writing. In the same spring 1990 term that he would stand for the presidency of the HLR, the Harvard Law School found itself embroiled in an explosive racial brouhaha.

Black firebrand law professor Derrick Bell was demanding that the Harvard Law School appoint a black woman to the law faculty.
This protest would culminate in vigils and protests by the racially sensitive student body, in the course of which Obama would compare the increasingly absurd Bell to Rosa Parks.

Feeling the pressure, HLR editors wanted to elect their first African-American president. Obama had an advantage. Spared the legacy of slavery and segregation, and having grown up in a white household, he lacked the hard edge of many of his black colleagues.

"Obama cast himself as an eager listener," the New York Times reported, "sometimes giving warring classmates the impression that he agreed with all of them at once."

In February 1990, after an ideologically charged all-day affair, Obama's fellow editors elected him president from among 19 candidates. As it happened, Obama prevailed only after the HLR's small conservative faction threw him its support.

Curiously, once elected, Obama contributed not one signed word to the HLR or any other law journal. As Matthew Franck has pointed out in National Review Online, "A search of the HeinOnline database of law journals turns up exactly nothing credited to Obama in any law review anywhere at any time."

One more thing: The 1990 Times article about Obama's election notes that the president of the HLR usually goes on to serve as a clerk for a Supreme Court justice.

Not the Mansourian Candidate. Here, oddly, his ambition deserted him. He told the Times that he planned "to spend two or three years in private law practice and then return to Chicago to re-enter community work, either in politics or in local organizing."

In this unlikely surrender to Chicago politics, the realist sees insecurity at best and, at worst, the quid for al-Mansour's quo.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=74877

Re: Obama's "Harvard" credentials

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:02 am
by _bcspace
Surely the staff at CBS could forge some papers, attribute them to Obama, and have Dan Rather come out of retirement to read them on air?

Heck, they might even remember to get an historically accurate typeface this time....

Re: Obama's "Harvard" credentials

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:38 am
by _Tarski
Why is Harvard in quotes? It's not the real Harvard? LOL

Dartagnan you are certainly a racist. You can't fathom the idea that a n888r wrote such an intelligent book and is one of our brightest.

You have zero credible reason to launch such slander. Only a dark heart.
Stop being a dick. You sound almost as stupid as BC who is already coming up with scenarios weere the press is forging things (without evidence as usual).
LOL

OMG!! You two are absurd. I dare you to take this stuff public in your own name before any group of intelligent educated people and see what response you get. McCain would condemn you himself and I am absolutely sure of it.

Oh, I've been through a top university Ph.D. program and I know what my competition is at Harvard. S.T Yau, Sternberg, Kazhdan etc. Now I have seen supposedly bright folks flunk out of the Ph.D. program I went through from insufficient ability to understand the deep concepts despite years of trying. Yet I am a pea brain compared to these folks at Harvard. I know them and have seen what the do.
I have no reason to think that somehow in Harvard's law program it is so different that one can fake one's way through it. It's not affirmative action when it comes to tests and so forth. We fail black people just like white people all the time. I have never ever been even remotely influenced to go easier on a black person or anyone for that matter. You are just inventing this stuff and it's stupid and slanderous.

Go accomplish something and stop slandering intelligent accomplished people.

Re: Obama's "Harvard" credentials

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:42 am
by _bcspace
So Tarski, is there an error in the article somewhere or is all you have merely invective?

Also, please show how I or Dartagnan are racist by comparing quotes with the dictionary definition.

OMG!! You two are absurd. I dare you to take this stuff public in your own name before any group of intelligent educated people and see what response you get. McCain would condemn you himself and I am absolutely sure of it.


Or Biden might continue to make a fool of himself if one of us interviewed him. Of course we don't look as attractive as that reporter so he probably would take us more seriously....

Re: Obama's "Harvard" credentials

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:56 am
by _Tarski
bcspace wrote:So Tarski, is there an error in the article somewhere or is all you have merely invective?

Also, please show how I or Dartagnan are racist by comparing quotes with the dictionary definition.


There is nothing there! How can I argue against innuendo and presumption?

Why don't we talk about Bush at Yale?

Or better yet, lets talk about your qualifications compared to Obama's. You seem to think yourself able to pontificate on anything. Tell us your background.
Oh, wait! Last time I asked for that you refused to tell me and accused me of ad hom. (hypocrisy!)

You, Dart and Droopy are unreasonable arrogant and hypocritical big mouths who only dismiss people of intellectual talent as "elitists". It's a small minded ploy which neither of you invented but are rather victims of memes crafted by more intelligent but corrupt deceivers like Karl Rove or Newt Gingrich ( 1996 GOPAC memo). These guys think you are there to be manipulated. You are.

Re: Obama's "Harvard" credentials

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:00 am
by _bcspace
There is nothing there! How can I argue against innuendo and presumption?


The article made some claims. How are they wrong?

Or better yet, lets talk about your qualifications compared to Obama's.


What legislative accomplishments has Obama produced?

You seem to think yourself able to pontificate on anything. Tell us your background. Oh, wait! Last time I asked for that you refused to tell me and accused me of ad hom. (hypocrisy!)


I've never asked for your background in debate. But President is not a matter of debate. Obama is asking us, the citizens of the USA, to hire him for an important job. Who else but brainless left-wingers would not ask to see his credentials in that case?

Re: Obama's "Harvard" credentials

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:05 am
by _Tarski
bcspace wrote:
There is nothing there! How can I argue against innuendo and presumption?


The article made some claims. How are they wrong?

By being unsupported by evidence and/or freaking irrelevant given your support of the intellectual giant (and beauty queen) Palin.


I claim you cheated your way through school. How else could you say the things you do?
OK, How am I wrong?

Re: Obama's "Harvard" credentials

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:53 am
by _asbestosman
Tarski wrote:Why don't we talk about Bush at Yale?

I believe that Bush is quite intelligent but extremely myopic.

I also believe that there intelligence doesn't necessarily translate into grades or IQ, and that none of those necessarily translate into being best qualified to be the President.

Honesty, on the other hand, is a consideration. Unfortunately, I don't think politicians are electable unless they have a certain amount of talent at, shall we say, providing creative interpretations of the truth (depends on the defintion of "is", etc.).

Re: Obama's "Harvard" credentials

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:08 am
by _Tarski
asbestosman wrote:
Tarski wrote:Why don't we talk about Bush at Yale?

I believe that Bush is quite intelligent but extremely myopic.

I also believe that there intelligence doesn't necessarily translate into grades or IQ, and that none of those necessarily translate into being best qualified to be the President.

Honesty, on the other hand, is a consideration. Unfortunately, I don't think politicians are electable unless they have a certain amount of talent at, shall we say, providing creative interpretations of the truth (depends on the defintion of "is", etc.).


Fine. Academic achievement is at least evidence of intelligence if not proof.

My judgement of Obama is not based on where he when to school. But, if Dart wants to make idiotic and slanderous insinuations I will take him on.

What if Obama's grades were the same as Bush's? What would that mean to you Dartagnan? Is that good enough? LOL
No, you have it in for him and you will say what it takes and move goal posts all day long if needs be.

Re: Obama's "Harvard" credentials

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:14 am
by _asbestosman
Tarski wrote:Fine. Academic achievement is at least evidence of intelligence if not proof.

I agree as far as that goes. I'm just saying that a poor academic record is not really evidence of a lack of intelligence.

I would also say that being a great speaker, as Obama is, is also evidence of intelligence--of a certain kind.