A New Study supporting Global Warming

[_Kevin Graham]

http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 16506.html

Let the slugfest begin...

[_zeezrom]

notice how they say the increase is from 1950. Just prior to 1950, there was a short downward trend, so the larger dataset should be considered. Tree ring data is useful in providing a very long range data set.

The graphs shown on NOAA's website show a significant upward trend after 1950 here:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwa ... ental.html

We need to keep in mind that since the 1930's, many of the temperature gauges used to produce this data have been moved, changed, and removed. The ones that have been moved started out in open fields of rural areas and now are located adjacent to buildings, usually so they can be easily accessed. Some have even been placed next to AC units (that blow hot air all day long). I've even seen a picture of one sitting directly above a BBQ. NASA and others have attempted to adjust for these changes but the adjustments are not adequate in my opinion.

No question temperatures are changing and likely on an increasing trend. We simply do not know enough yet to make meaningful projections because the models take in too many assumptions. My opinion is that we should be cautious about the data but still try to reduce emissions in a sensible manner because they might be right.

[_CaliforniaKid]

An interesting study, Kevin. Thanks for posting it. I was particularly intrigued by the argument that only the lower atmosphere is warming, whereas a solar explanation predicts a rise in upper atmosphere temperature as well.

For me, though, the argument for anthropogenic global warming is only half the battle. I'm with the climate scientists that far. Where I get off the train is when people start assuming that regulation or political policy changes can succeed in reversing or even significantly slowing the trend. I just don't think that's realistic. I haven't seen any good evidence to suggest it can be done.

[_Brackite]

http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 16506.html

Let the slugfest begin...

From This Article:

Climate scientists have delivered a powerful riposte to their sceptical critics with a study that strengthens the case for saying global warming is largely the result of man-made emissions of greenhouse gases.

The researchers found that no other possible natural phenomenon, such as volcanic eruptions or variations in the activity of the Sun, could explain the significant warming of the planet over the past half century as recorded on every continent including Antarctica.

There has been no 'significant' Global Warming since the Year of 1998. The Global Warming Period from 1975 to 1998 was similar to the Global warming period from 1910 to 1940. (1)

Lake Erie Just recently was frozen over for the first time within about 14 Years. (2)

Artic summer sea ice has increased by about 26 Percent from since 2007 unto 2009. (3)


From That Article:

It is only when the warming effect of emitting millions of tonnes of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere from human activity is considered that it is possible to explain why global average temperatures have risen so significantly since the middle of the 20th century.

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Scientific observations based on temperature recordings on every continent, as well as thermometer readings on, in and above the oceans, leave "little room for doubt" that the earth is warming, but trying to attribute a cause for this global warming is not possible unless man-made activity in the form of carbon dioxide emissions is taken into account, the scientists said.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not a Pollutant. Human activity accounts for only about four Percent of Carbon Dioxide (CO2) emissions. Carbon Dioxide (CO2) accounts for just about 20 Percent of the 'Greenhouse gas' effect. Carbon Monoxide is a Pollutant, However, Carbon Dioxide is Not a Pollutant. (4)


1. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... nised.html

http://www.theclimateconspiracy.com/?p=123


2. http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art ... 9904/0/RSS

http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/ ... 031864.txt


3. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... -here.html


4. http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opi ... -coop.html

http://www.populartechnology.net/2008/1 ... ution.html

http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2009/12/1037

http://catalog.com/sft/bobf/global_warming.html

[_Kevin Graham]

Lake Erie Just recently was frozen over for the first time within about 14 Years. (2)

Artic summer sea ice has increased by about 26 Percent from since 2007 unto 2009. (3)

Brackite, the scientists who suggested Global Warming more than a decade ago predicted that the northern hemisphere would actually get cooler. I found that interesting because 1) I never really knew this, and 2) It means that when the AGW deniers use cooling examples from the Northern Hemisphere, they're unwittingly supporting the theory. Of course it sounds absur to think the world is warming when you're experiencing record cooling in your particular country. But the argument covers the entire globe, not just certain areas.

I have been living in Brasil since 2005 and I can tell you it is hot as a mother down here, and the people often refer to a time when the rain seasons were more stable. For example, in Brasilia the capitol, where we lived for more than three years, it used to rain sporadically every month of the year. According to what people say, this stopped about a decade ago and now it rains every friggin day between november and April, and then, as if God flipped a switch, it doesn't rain a drop through October.

For me though, the jury is still out. I just found this very interesting.

[_bcspace]

I have been living in Brasil since 2005 and I can tell you it is hot as a mother down here, and the people often refer to a time when the rain seasons were more stable

I'm quite skeptical of people who say there must be global warming because it's unseasonably hot or there must not be global warming just because it's unseasonably cold.

This particular study in the OP is just warmed over from 2007. What exactly did these warmists update? The conclusion or the data? We know now from climate-gate that both the AGW conclusions and data were faulty.

Brackite, the scientists who suggested Global Warming more than a decade ago predicted that the northern hemisphere would actually get cooler.

I've already made reference to several studies from 2007 onward that show something far different such as the one from US National Snow and Ice Data Centre showing that the warmists are wrong about the cooling trend being a harbinger of worse warming to come.

[doubtingthomas]

I have been living in Brasil since 2005 and I can tell you it is hot as a mother down here, and the people often refer to a time when the rain seasons were more stable. For example, in Brasilia the capitol, where we lived for more than three years, it used to rain sporadically every month of the year. According to what people say, this stopped about a decade ago and now it rains every friggin day between november and April, and then, as if God flipped a switch, it doesn't rain a drop through October.

For me though, the jury is still out. I just found this very interesting.

Hello from the future. Can you give us an update?

[Atlanticmike]

I have been living in Brasil since 2005 and I can tell you it is hot as a mother down here, and the people often refer to a time when the rain seasons were more stable. For example, in Brasilia the capitol, where we lived for more than three years, it used to rain sporadically every month of the year. According to what people say, this stopped about a decade ago and now it rains every friggin day between november and April, and then, as if God flipped a switch, it doesn't rain a drop through October.

For me though, the jury is still out. I just found this very interesting.

Hello from the future. Can you give us an update?

I’m still surfing the same spots. I’m still fishing the same holes. I’m still driving in the same tracks on the beach. I’m still walking on piers that aren’t under water. Al Gore is a 100 billion dollars richer. Progressives are dumber and even more scared they’re going to be pulled out to sea any minute!!

[Dr. Shades]

I have been living in Brasil since 2005 and I can tell you it is hot as a mother down here, and the people often refer to a time when the rain seasons were more stable. For example, in Brasilia the capitol, where we lived for more than three years, it used to rain sporadically every month of the year. According to what people say, this stopped about a decade ago and now it rains every friggin day between november and April, and then, as if God flipped a switch, it doesn't rain a drop through October.

For me though, the jury is still out. I just found this very interesting.

Hello from the future. Can you give us an update?

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