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...and the "Gay" subculture that spawned and nourishes it.




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That was fantastic. Thanks for the link.

ETA: I do not approve the use of the word "pansy."

Oh man! The comments are a trip!

Check this one out by MELAS_URU

Jesus also never addressed the issue of slavery because slavery has proven through out time to be a blessing in disguise.

I LOL'd hard at this by WESLEY MASSEY

The worst he can really say is that we as Christians are being hypocritical by not practicing all that the Bible teaches, and distasteful as his argument is, there is truth in that. Rather than criticize his speech (at least he's being honest and pointing out things which are truthfully IN the Bible), we as Christians should take up the challenge and go back to the teachings IN the Bible and truly embrace them as they were meant to be embraced. And yes, that means slavery and cutting off your wife's hand if she touches the hand of another man during a fight. We need to OWN these moral directives. They're not misprints, these things are in the Holy Book.

So who, according to Savage, uses the Bible to justify bullying? I should be able to defend my beliefs that homosexuality is wrong and not be accused of bullying and bigotry if he can stand there and say the Bible is wrong so by his own logic, conservative Christianity doesn't bully or teach or encourage the same. He also has obviously never read the Bible.

The worst he can really say is that we as Christians are being hypocritical by not practicing all that the Bible teaches, and distasteful as his argument is, there is truth in that. Rather than criticize his speech (at least he's being honest and pointing out things which are truthfully IN the Bible)

He did not truthfully point out anything in the Bible. He "forgot" (as if he ever knew) that the law of Moses has been fulfilled and superseded.

just me wrote:Oh man! The comments are a trip!

Check this one out by MELAS_URU

Jesus also never addressed the issue of slavery because slavery has proven through out time to be a blessing in disguise.

I LOL'd hard at this by WESLEY MASSEY

The worst he can really say is that we as Christians are being hypocritical by not practicing all that the Bible teaches, and distasteful as his argument is, there is truth in that. Rather than criticize his speech (at least he's being honest and pointing out things which are truthfully IN the Bible), we as Christians should take up the challenge and go back to the teachings IN the Bible and truly embrace them as they were meant to be embraced. And yes, that means slavery and cutting off your wife's hand if she touches the hand of another man during a fight. We need to OWN these moral directives. They're not misprints, these things are in the Holy Book.

Thank you for making this approachable, Just_Me.

Droopy wrote:...and the "Gay" subculture that spawned and nourishes it.




http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2 ... Christians

^ Doth protest too much

bcspace wrote:So who, according to Savage, uses the Bible to justify bullying? I should be able to defend my beliefs that homosexuality is wrong and not be accused of bullying and bigotry if he can stand there and say the Bible is wrong so by his own logic, conservative Christianity doesn't bully or teach or encourage the same. He also has obviously never read the Bible.

If an Evangelical gets up and talks about why Mormonism is wrong, Mormons will accuse them of bullying and bigotry.

Except Mormonism is a lifestyle choice. Homosexuality is biologically dictated.

bcspace wrote:
He did not truthfully point out anything in the Bible. He "forgot" (as if he ever knew) that the law of Moses has been fulfilled and superseded.

You appear to have forgot that not everyone shares your theology, nor does everyone consistently apply this notion, nor does this stop people from routinely citing the Old Testament as a basis for their desire for discriminatory practices towards gays.

And the Bible never stops being pro-slavery. It's a clear theme in the Bible that God is A-Ok with slavery. Homosexuality is a footnote compared to how consistently Ok slavery in the Bible is, yet there is no equivalent movement to repeal the 13th amendment among religious righters. That's even true for theonomists who very much want to see a return to slavery. Why aren't people trying to square the secular world with God's morality in that case? It's disproportionate and selective to specifically go after gays. Times are a changin' though, and strained readings of scripture that get gays off the hook are ever more popular, just as what happened with slavery. What Savage is calling for is happening as we speak. People are moving past it.

bcspace wrote:So who, according to Savage, uses the Bible to justify bullying?

You're not being "bullied" for being called a bigot for expressing bigoted views. How do you imagine that to be equivalent to the kind of bullying - say physically assaulting and verbally tormenting people for being gay - that Savage's "It gets better" campaign is about?

On a related note, Savage's "It Gets Better" campaign is truly wonderful. I understand why it is targeted specifically towards gays, but it really is applicable to all manner of people who face challenges with bullying when they are young. Not BCSpace "Wah! People are calling me out on my ugly views," bullying, but actual psychologically damaging bullying. If you can just hang on, it's probably going to get better for you.

Even beyond that, the kind of message a campaign like this offers can be helpful to anyone feeling insecure in where they are in life.

Kevin Barney makes this point here, but I don't think he has it quite right. Things have gotten better for him, but even in this entry he alludes to the reality that this might not be true of everyone. What Savage is referring to is the reality that once kids can escape the dungeon that is their adolescent surroundings, they'll find that in many cases it does get better. They can always move into gay-friendly cities and social circles, for instance. That's just easier to do when you are older. But life - life doesn't always get better for people. If we are going to adapt Savages message to any old awkward kid, it should be more a message hope that things can get better and that people can make this happen as they get older because they'll have more ability to shape their immediate world.