Are you pro life?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Lee,

Do you own a gun?

- Doc

[leeuniverse]

I’m for it.

I see.

- Doc

In other words, he's NOT "pro-life"...

If he was "actually" pro-life as he believes, he would know that the BODY inside the woman is a:
- Separate Human Body and Life from the mother.
- Has its OWN Blood Type.
- Has its OWN DNA

It is a full and independent human being, ONLY relying on the mother to grow, be fed, kept warm, etc., which is NO DIFFERENT than being "outside" of the womb. The human mother could very well be like a mother Kangaroo which has a "Baby Roo", in which almost immediately after "conception" the Rue Fetus climbs into the Mother Roos "pouch" to then grow, thus a human mother would have no moral right to just reach into her pouch and SQUEEZE the baby to death, killing it.

The mother is simply a temporary "steward" of that child's life, and has no more "right" over the life of that child than any human "outside" of the womb. Even criminal law recognizes the "life" of the child, because those who murder pregnant women have an "added" crime put on them.

However, as a Conservative who knows the science says life begins at conception, I would be willing to "compromise" with Leftists, that they are allowed to have an Abortion within the "First Three Weeks" of Conception. Because then, yes, it IS "just a clump of cells" like they like to say in their evil callousness like the Nazis also considered life. After 3 weeks, however, it is entirely a HUMAN BEING, and thus deserving of protection.

Protecting the innocent is the first duty of government. That Leftists force the government to break that duty with the most "vulnerable" of society shows their utter depravity, and it all goes downhill from there.
Leftists use many arguments to promote abortion, but they ALL are lies...

For example, one of their BIG "justifications" is that the child will become a "burden to society". Well, guess what, to every aborted child, there are "30" parents who would potentially adopt that child. Further, those parents tend to be well off, since it's expensive to adopt, thus almost ALL of those children would end up being BENEFITS to society, NOT "burdens".

This again shows the EVIL of Leftism... how it's NOT based in Truth and Good, but falsehood and evil.

[Jersey Girl]

Are you pro life?

I'm pro life. Let me explain:

I would like to remove things that serve no other purpose than to kill living things: guns.
I would like to mandate things that save lives: COVID-19 vaccines.

In an effort to get back on topic so as not to derail Sledge's stuff...

Pro Choice and Pro Life.

[Sledge]

He's a friend.

So am I. To all.

[leeuniverse]

In contrast, the areas which have the MOST gun control, AND least amount of guns, have the MOST gun deaths. This means that it's NOT "guns" which are the actual problem, it's something else.

Obviously, guns have nothing to do with gun deaths. Would you say it was black people, leftists, or both?

1. Baiting false sarcasm...
Gun deaths obviously require "guns", so to say they have "nothing" to do with gun deaths is just you being smarty pants.
You missed the point of my comment... What I'm stating is that if "guns" were the "actual problem", as well as "gun control" was the answer, then those areas with the "most" should have also the highest gun deaths, but they don't. As well, those with the most gun control and the least amount of guns should have the "least" amount of gun deaths, but they don't.

2. Leftism in a general sense causes violent "death" period, it's not simply "guns"... There's at least 150 MILLION in the 20th Century alone who are DEAD from just Leftists using guns to "force" the people to comply with their wishes by just genocides alone, and guess what, banning guns, and having gun registrations beforehand to be able to collect them all, ALL IN THE NAME OF "SAFETY". Totalitarianism to Leftists has ALWAYS been in the name of "safety".
And guess what, it doesn't happen for the most part with blacks on the RIGHT, nor whites on the Right. The vast majority of those in prison are Democrats, only a "tiny" minority are on the Right, and the majority of those they "become" so AFTER being in prison, due to becoming religious, etc.

The "ideology" of Leftism destroys lives and society itself... It's done so to Native Americans (save those who've gone Capitalist), and it's done so to blacks, absolutely destroying the black family (for example, blacks went from 20% Single Parenthood when Republican to 70% Single parenthood after becoming Democrat, SAME for other "metrics") as some examples.

3. You also ignored the biggest point of my statement... "Overall Death Rates" DO NOT "go down" after gun bans/control.
In other words, people who want to KILL people STILL kill people...

Sure, you might save a small # in relation to suicide, but we know from Japan, Australia and otherwise, that people who want to die work to find effective means, so even that would be minor. And yes, there will likely be slightly less "mass shootings" with gun bans, but the thing is, innocent people WOULD be dead instead of the bad guys, and death rates just don't change, and if the point is to "save lives" then banning guns does NOTHING.

[canpakes]

However, as a Conservative who knows the science says life begins at conception …

Wrong. All parts of the process are alive with ‘life’. It’s not like a fetus is cobbled together from dead stuff and Gorilla Glue.

Arguably as ‘alive’ as someone that you’d shoot to kill on the battlefield for believing in a different God.

[leeuniverse]

However, as a Conservative who knows the science says life begins at conception …

Wrong. All parts of the process are alive with ‘life’. It’s not like a fetus is cobbled together from dead stuff and Gorilla Glue.

Arguably as ‘alive’ as someone that you’d shoot to kill on the battlefield for believing in a different God.

1. You know very well we are talking for the purposes of this discussion in relation to what is a "human life", as it relates to whether people should "kill it" or not. You're going "beyond the mark", and talking about "cellular life" is just more Leftist deflection, because obviously, we aren't talking about "cells" that might be in the dirt, grass, plants, make up a human, etc.

2. And see, this just shows how much of LIARS Leftists are about the Right, almost every word you utter about us is a LIE.
We have NEVER uttered such words, nor do we engage in such ACTIONS... We kill "terrorists", not Muslims. We protect, ALL people, not simply Christians. You know, we did these things called "Wars" in Iraq, etc. in order to protect MUSLIMS... Not many "Christians" there "buddy".

"Woe unto those who call evil good and good evil."

[canpakes]

2. And see, this just shows how much of LIARS Leftists are about the Right, almost every word you utter about us is a LIE.
We have NEVER uttered such words, nor do we engage in such ACTIONS... We kill "terrorists", not Muslims. We protect, ALL people, not simply Christians. You know, we did these things called "Wars" in Iraq, etc. in order to protect MUSLIMS... Not many "Christians" there "buddy".

"Woe unto those who call evil good and good evil."

Yes, everyone killed in a war is a ‘terrorist’.

I note your approval of taking the life of cell masses that have achieved free will, for believing in something different than yourself.

[Sledge]

1. Guns don't simply "kill", they PROTECT Life... If you were actually "pro-life" you would be FOR guns.
I can prove it too...

This is nonsense. Guns use explosive dust to propel projectile at fast speeds for the purpose of destroying, usually, living tissue. These projectile to not “protect” life.

- You see, with Leftist brainwashing they aren't told certain important Facts about guns. For example.
It is estimated (stats in an Obama CDC study and others) that at the most "minimum" 200,000 LIVES are Saved by guns every year in the U.S., and that's NOT including "all estimated self-defense occurrences" with a gun, just when a likely LIFE was saved.
In contrast, some 10,000 Homicides occur by gun in the U.S.

This is absurd. Where is the data on this? Can you point me to a credible source which lays out these statistics?

- There is not ONE place on the planet that has instituted gun bans/control in which "overall death rates" have gone down (save warzones).
Even often "gun deaths" don't even go down such as the UK and Australia. Australian gun deaths went down after their ban at the EXACT RATE for both suicide and homicide that they were going down for the prior 15 YEARS to the ban. In other words, statistically, the gun ban did nothing to reduce gun deaths. All gun bans do it kill the innocent, and leave bad guys alive to do more harm.

I don’t think this is correct, but even if it were: this is the US. We should be the trailblazers, the trendsetters! Do you know what else has never worked in another country before? A 200 year old constitution! But we did it because we are the US.

I’m sorry you don’t think the US is capable of greatness, but I do.

We can end mass death from mass shootings!

- In the U.S., the areas of the country that have VASTLY the most amount of guns, somehow have VASTLY the least amount of gun deaths.
In contrast, the areas which have the MOST gun control, AND least amount of guns, have the MOST gun deaths. This means that it's NOT "guns" which are the actual problem, it's something else.

This is not true. Show me a credible source to back this up.

There are MORE gun facts that I could show you which Leftists don't know because they are brainwashed with propaganda, that causes the Leftist to make an EVIL judgement, one which infringes on a man's, BASIC HUMAN RIGHT, to the Right to LIFE. That includes a Woman's Right, to protect herself from a physically superior man, to "equalize" that force. Now, ask yourself, why do Leftists choose to infringe on the human rights of BOTH man and woman?

All of your “facts” have thus far been “false.” Do you have any true facts to back up your absurd claims?

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2. Then you're NOT "following the actual science", you're again following Propaganda LIES...

The actual science says:

I’m not going to quote your wall of misinformation because you are literally hurting people with it.

Let me ask you this: where do you get your facts about vaccines? Show me some data that’s both credible and backs up any of your claims.

Talk is cheap. Put up.

[canpakes]

Let me ask you this: where do you get your facts about vaccines? Show me some data that’s both credible and backs up any of your claims.

Talk is cheap. Put up.

You could be waiting a while. Got any home projects that you can hit while waiting, like, building a house?