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GOP: Pro-Grower, Anti-Eater

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:44 pm
by _MeDotOrg
New York Times wrote:WASHINGTON — Republicans muscled a pared-back agriculture bill through the House on Thursday, stripping out the food stamp program to satisfy recalcitrant conservatives but losing what little Democratic support the bill had when it failed last month. It was the first time food stamps had not been a part of the farm bill since 1973.

The 216-to-208 vote saved House Republican leaders from an embarrassing reprisal of the unexpected defeat of a broader version of the bill in June, but the future of agriculture policy remains uncertain. The food stamp program, formally called the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, was 80 percent of the original bill’s cost, and it remains the centerpiece of the Senate’s bipartisan farm bill.

Even in a chamber used to acrimony, Thursday’s debate in the House was particularly brutal. Democrats repeatedly called for roll-call votes on parliamentary procedures and motions to adjourn, delaying the final vote by hours and charging Republicans over and over again with callousness and cruelty.

Republicans shouted protests, trying to silence the most strident Democrats, and were repeatedly forced to vote to uphold their own parliamentary rulings.

Representative Frank D. Lucas, Republican of Oklahoma, the chairman of the House Agriculture Committee, said he would try to draft a separate food stamp bill “as soon as I can achieve a consensus.” But conservatives remain determined to extract deep cuts to the program — cuts that members of both parties in the House and Senate have said they cannot support.

House and Senate negotiators could produce a compromise measure with the robust food stamp program the Senate wants, but such a bill would almost certainly have to pass the House with significant Republican defections.

Asked before the vote Thursday if he would allow a compromise bill to come to a final vote in the House, Speaker John A. Boehner of Ohio shrugged and said: “If ands and buts were candy and nuts, every day would be Christmas. You’ve heard that before. My goal right now is to get the farm bill passed. We’ll get to those other issues later.”

By splitting farm policy from food stamps, the House effectively ended the decades-old political marriage between urban interests concerned about nutrition and rural areas who depend on farm subsidies.

“We wanted separation, and we got it,” said Representative Marlin Stutzman, Republican of Indiana, one of the bill’s chief authors. “You’ve got to take these wins when you can get them.”

Democrats denounced the bill as a naked attempt to make draconian cuts in the food stamp program.

“A vote for this bill is a vote to end nutrition in America,” said Representative Rosa DeLauro of Connecticut.

Senator Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, the chairwoman of the Senate Agriculture Committee, called the House measure “an insult to rural America.”

Anti-hunger groups called passage of the farm bill without the food stamp program a disgrace.

“Today’s vote is the latest smoking gun that the House majority isn’t truly interested in deficit reduction,” said Joel Berg, executive director of the New York City Coalition Against Hunger. “They’re interested in supporting special interest groups over hungry Americans.”

The 608-page bill keeps the changes that were in the version that failed last month, and amendments were not allowed. The bill would save about $20 billion by consolidating or cutting numerous farm subsidy programs, including $5 billion paid annually to farmers and landowners whether they plant crops or not.

The money saved from eliminating those payments would be directed into the $9 billion crop insurance program, and new subsidies would be created for peanut, cotton and rice farmers. The bill adds money to support fruit and vegetable growers, and it restores insurance programs for livestock producers, which expired in 2011, leaving thousands of operations without disaster coverage during last year’s drought. The bill also made changes to a dairy program that sets limits to the amount of milk produced and sold in the United States.

One new proposal from last month would also repeal a provision in the current farm bill, called “permanent law,” that causes farm programs to revert to 1949 price levels if a new farm bill is not passed. Congress has traditionally maintained the provision to prod lawmakers into passing a farm bill or face large increases in farm program expenditures. Without the provision, many lawmakers and farm groups fear there would be no incentive for Congress to pass a farm bill on time.

One overlooked provision in the bill came from Representative Dan Benishek, Republican of Michigan, a surgeon, and would require additional economic and scientific analyses before a 2010 law to improve the food safety system goes into effect.

A spokesman for Mr. Benishek, Kyle Bonini, said it was meant to protect farmers “from being hit with more costly regulations.”

But food safety advocates said that they were surprised by the provision and that it would effectively halt implementation of the law, which gives the Food and Drug Administration greater authority over food production.

Erik D. Olson, director of food programs at the Pew Charitable Trusts, which was involved in promoting the law, called the provision “an extremely troubling development.”

No Democrats voted for the measure Thursday, and 12 Republicans voted against it — mainly the most conservative members, with a scattering of moderates. Republican discipline on the final vote was something of a rebuke to conservative advocacy groups like the Club for Growth and Heritage Action, which had worked against the bill, even after the food stamp program was stripped out.

But its removal engulfed a bill that for years had passed with overwhelming bipartisan support in acrimony.

“They cannot help themselves from turning nonpartisan, bipartisan legislation into ‘my way or the highway,’ ” Representative Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland, the Democratic whip, said of his Republican colleagues.

In the early 1970s, as rural members of Congress saw their numbers start to decline, a deal was struck to include food stamps in the farm bill so lawmakers would be able to muster enough votes to pass it. But both nutrition programs and farm subsidies have grown tremendously in the past 20 years, and a new breed of legislators, many of them elected in 2010 and backed by the Tea Party, are more concerned with federal spending than building coalitions to pass a farm bill.

Last week, 532 farm organizations, including the American Farm Bureau Federation, the nation’s largest farm lobby, called on lawmakers not to split the farm bill into two pieces of legislation. In a letter on Thursday, Bob Stallman, president of the Farm Bureau, called the split disappointing. But after the vote, Mr. Stallman said the group would move ahead with getting a new five-year farm bill.

“While we were hopeful the farm bill would not be split, nor permanent law repealed, we will now focus our efforts on working with lawmakers to deliver a farm bill to the president’s desk for his signature by September,” he said.

For different reasons, the Club for Growth also opposed the bill. Chris Chocola, the political action committee’s president, said a new farm support program, called the “shallow loss” program, would guarantee farmers 90 percent of their income and “essentially locks in high commodity prices forevermore.”

He also protested that Republican leaders had refused to guarantee that the food stamp program would not be included in the final measure that comes out of negotiations with the Senate.

Boehmer: "My goal right now is to get the farm bill passed. We’ll get to those other issues later." Presumably, the 'other issues' might include where 46 million Americans will be getting their food.

Re: GOP: Pro-Grower, Anti-Eater

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:38 pm
by _Droopy

Re: GOP: Pro-Grower, Anti-Eater

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:04 pm
by _cinepro
It's interesting to see "farm subsidies" (i.e. corporate welfare for large corporate growers) and food stamps combined into one bill. It seems to be a very effective way to minimize opposition.

The Heritage article Droopy linked to suggests these reforms to help improve the situation. Are there points in these reforms that conservatives or liberals would be philosphically opposed to?

Separate food stamps from agriculture programs. This reform is a matter of open and transparent government. Food stamps and farm policy are distinct issues. Each warrants thoughtful consideration from legislators in congressional committees with appropriate jurisdiction. Combining both into one massive bill undermines chances for accountability and meaningful reform.

Limit farm subsidies to farmers with adjusted gross incomes below $250,000. Until subsidies are eliminated, there should at least be a means test to restrict eligibility. Eligibility should be restricted across the board, and the income levels should be significantly reduced to less than the current thresholds. The existing loophole that allows multiple people working one farm to receive subsidies should be eliminated.

Eliminate the direct payments program. There is no justification for subsidizing farmers who do not grow crops, or to subsidize farmers regardless of their income. Both the House and Senate bills last year would have eliminated direct payments—evidence of broad recognition that these programs should be eliminated.

Cap the crop insurance program on insurance premium subsidies and reduce the percentage of total premiums that taxpayers must subsidize. Crop insurance subsidies have skyrocketed, and are expected to average $8.9 billion a year from 2013–2022, according to the Congressional Budget Office. The Government Accountability Office analyzed the impact of placing a $40,000 cap on premium subsidies received by farmers, if applied in 2011: a savings to taxpayers of $1 billion. This type of cap would only have affected 3.9 percent of participating farmers.[20] By lowering the cap, even greater savings could be achieved.

Taxpayers should bear a much smaller burden when it comes to subsidizing premiums. In 2011, taxpayers paid 62 percent of the premium subsidies for the crop insurance program. In 2000, taxpayers covered 37 percent. Simply reducing the 62 percent premium subsidy by 10 percentage points to 52 percent in 2011 would have saved $1.2 billion.[21]

Do not replace one bad policy with another: Avoiding the “shallow loss” and “price loss coverage” problem. In 2012, the Senate approved repeal of direct payments and counter-cyclical payments. The House bill also would have done the same. But lawmakers negated that progress by replacing direct subsidies with programs that would likely cost taxpayers even more. This is unacceptable.

Re: GOP: Pro-Grower, Anti-Eater

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:39 am
by _bcspace
Farmers are no longer the constituency they used to be and Democrats have all but abandoned them, always pushing new "Farm Bill" legislation back. They essentially keep the previous one. The problem of course is farmers have always been dependent on subsidization. Most farmers are actually Conservative but are largely one issue voters when it comes to their subsidies. I think the GOP can still woo them and keep Food Stamps out of it at the same time.

Re: GOP: Pro-Grower, Anti-Eater

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:41 pm
by _MeDotOrg
Before people start quoting the Heritage Foundation, they might try actually reading the article. It may interest them to know that the Heritage Foundation, as well as the Club for Growth, actually opposed this bill.

New York Times wrote:Republican discipline on the final vote was something of a rebuke to conservative advocacy groups like the Club for Growth and Heritage Action, which had worked against the bill, even after the food stamp program was stripped out.

Just like banking, it's socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor. This from people who keep screaming that Obama is a socialist.

Keep subsidizing Agribusiness. Now what was it those poor people wanted?

Re: GOP: Pro-Grower, Anti-Eater

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:31 pm
by _Droopy
MeDotOrg wrote:Before people start quoting the Heritage Foundation, they might try actually reading the article. It may interest them to know that the Heritage Foundation, as well as the Club for Growth, actually opposed this bill.


Try doing a bit of reading yoruself, MDO. They opposed the bill as written, not the existence of a farm bill per se. Conservatives have lofty ideals but we're also realists, and think tanks exist to effect public policy, not just pontificate on philosophical principle.

Just like banking, it's socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor. This from people who keep screaming that Obama is a socialist.


I have no idea what you're talking about. But, as is usually the case with many on the Left, neither do you, at all events.

Keep subsidizing Agribusiness.


The scholars at Heritage, nor anywhere else, aren't fools. Agribusiness has been subsidized since the 1930s and their is no end in sight. Political realities are political realities. The entire New Deal and Great Society should be sunseted over a ten year period, the gradual phase-out coinciding with the moving of all safety nets to the states and to a renewed and dynamic private sector philanthropic world, massive, across-the-board tax cuts (and abolition of a number of forms of re-taxation of the same dollars), abolition of a number of vastly expensive, destructive, and constitutionally dubious agencies (IRS, energy, education, EPA etc.) serious tort reform, term limits, the reigning in of the federal judiciary (bringing it back within constitutional limits) etc., etc., etc.

Is this going to happen? No. No way in hell. The real world of practical politics and political policy crafting, however, is one of trade-offs and lesser evils, in most cases,

Now what was it those poor people wanted?


Some of them want to work and support themselves and their families, a desire Obama and the Democrats (aided and abetted by Bush and the Republicans in prior years) have made ever more distant a hope as the weeks and months go on.

Others have "eyes full of greediness" and wish to put their hands on "other men's goods." Obama speaks to these poor. He is Santa Claus, he who transfers other men's goods to their hands on their moral behalf, and also their angel of vengeance against "the rich" who have, in their minds, made them poor.

Re: GOP: Pro-Grower, Anti-Eater

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:55 pm
by _MeDotOrg
MeDotOrg wrote:Just like banking, it's socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor. This from people who keep screaming that Obama is a socialist.


Droopy wrote:I have no idea what you're talking about. But, as is usually the case with many on the Left, neither do you, at all events.


Look at the crash of '08. Was it poor people that caused it? Was the bailout of banking, AIG, etc., the fault of poor people? 'Too Big To Fail', coupled with lax regulation means we will go down this road again and again. It was 'free marketers' like Hank Paulson, Alan Greenspan and Larry Summers who led the charge in dismantling the regulations that had kept banking solvent. Just as an example, the refusal to regulate Credit Default Swaps led directly to the demise of AIG.

Who got made whole when Paulson bailed out AIG? Much of the money went to paying off credit default swaps for entities like
Goldman Sachs, which Paulsen used to run.

Meanwhile, companies like Bank of America were giving bonuses for driving people into foreclosure.