The NRA thinks the Wild West wasn't wild enough

[_MeDotOrg]

You know, some people in this country say the gun nuts are trying to take us back to the days of the wild west. That couldn't be further from the truth.

The reality is, the most infamous town in the Wild West had tougher gun laws.

Reporting from Tombstone, Ariz. — A billboard just outside this Old West town promises "Gunfights Daily!" and tourists line up each afternoon to watch costumed cowboys and lawmen reenact the bloody gunfight at the OK Corral with blazing six-shooters.

But as with much of the Wild West, myth has replaced history. The 1881 shootout took place in a narrow alley, not at the corral. Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday weren't seen as heroic until later; they were initially charged with murder.

And one fact is usually ignored: Back then, Tombstone had far stricter gun control than it does today. In fact, the American West's most infamous gun battle erupted when the marshal tried to enforce a local ordinance that barred carrying firearms in public. A judge had fined one of the victims $25 earlier that day for packing a pistol.

"You could wear your gun into town, but you had to check it at the sheriff's office or the Grand Hotel, and you couldn't pick it up again until you were leaving town," said Bob Boze Bell, executive editor of True West Magazine, which celebrates the Old West. "It was an effort to control the violence."

See the complete Los Angeles Times article.

[_ldsfaqs]

What's funny also is the lefts cognative dissonance....

They like to say how "we are a different world today, no need for guns", but then in the same breath, if more people have guns they claim we will all of a sudden become violent killers, killing each other because of simple arguments etc.

The further funny thing about that, like all liberal lack of thinking is. Is people have been carrying guns for a long time now, and such events almost never happen in contrast to the # that already carry guns. Thus, it's another liberal lie from "irrational fear" not facts and reality.

[_MeDotOrg]

What's funny also is the lefts cognative dissonance....

They like to say how "we are a different world today, no need for guns", but then in the same breath, if more people have guns they claim we will all of a sudden become violent killers, killing each other because of simple arguments etc.

The further funny thing about that, like all liberal lack of thinking is. Is people have been carrying guns for a long time now, and such events almost never happen in contrast to the # that already carry guns. Thus, it's another liberal lie from "irrational fear" not facts and reality.

All I did was point out that the gun laws in Tombstone were far stricter during the Wild West than they are now.

"The further funny thing about that, like all liberal lack of thinking is. Is people have been carrying guns for a long time now, and such events almost never happen in contrast to the # that already carry guns. Thus, it's another liberal lie from "irrational fear" not facts and reality."

I'm not sure what 'such events' refers to....

[_Albion]

What's funny also is the lefts cognative dissonance....

They like to say how "we are a different world today, no need for guns", but then in the same breath, if more people have guns they claim we will all of a sudden become violent killers, killing each other because of simple arguments etc.

The further funny thing about that, like all liberal lack of thinking is. Is people have been carrying guns for a long time now, and such events almost never happen in contrast to the # that already carry guns. Thus, it's another liberal lie from "irrational fear" not facts and reality.

You mean compared to other western nations Americans haven't "become violent killers, killing each other because of simple arguments, etc."? How many Americans need to be killed by guns each year in comparison with any other western countries for this not to be true. If children were burning down buildings at the same rate Americans are killed with guns for any reason don't you think there would be a national campaign to stop children getting hold of matches? Whatever the cause of the deaths, it is my view Americans are not responsible enough to continue to own guns.

[_ajax18]

I bet people would be more polite in an armed society.

[_ldsfaqs]

You mean compared to other western nations Americans haven't "become violent killers, killing each other because of simple arguments, etc."? How many Americans need to be killed by guns each year in comparison with any other western countries for this not to be true. If children were burning down buildings at the same rate Americans are killed with guns for any reason don't you think there would be a national campaign to stop children getting hold of matches? Whatever the cause of the deaths, it is my view Americans are not responsible enough to continue to own guns.

Which makes you ignorant.... Because if you knew anything you would know it's primarily the CRIMINAL element that kills with guns, and specifically mostly REPEAT OFFENDERS.

It's not the normal citizens moron who are killing people with guns or otherwise. Yes, they do on rare occasion, but they are not the primary offenders.

Further, you ignore the fact that country's that have banned guns, there has been ZERO change in actual "violent death". In other words, people that want to kill still kill.

Further, "per-capita" we are not that different from anywhere else, and there are all kinds of other factor's which contribute to violence. Your focus on "guns" makes you dumb, not intelligent.

[_Albion]

ldsfaqs...California and Canada are fairly comparable in population. Can you compare gun death figures, for any cause, between the two? Are you suggesting that criminals in the US are not Americans? I don't particularly care who is responsible for gun deaths in the US nor if those deaths are a result of crime, suicide, accident or any other reason...the proliferation of guns in America is a symptom of the irresponsibility of Americans when it comes to owning guns. There is an attitude in America that lauds the macho, let's kick butt image and guns feed into that. I am by the way, neither "ignorant" nor a "moron"....but you are, indeed, insulting.

[_ldsfaqs]

ldsfaqs...California and Canada are fairly comparable in population. Can you compare gun death figures, for any cause, between the two? Are you suggesting that criminals in the US are not Americans? I don't particularly care who is responsible for gun deaths in the US nor if those deaths are a result of crime, suicide, accident or any other reason...the proliferation of guns in America is a symptom of the irresponsibility of Americans when it comes to owning guns. There is an attitude in America that lauds the macho, let's kick butt image and guns feed into that. I am by the way, neither "ignorant" nor a "moron"....but you are, indeed, insulting.

You are the insulting one for insulting gun owners, law abiding good people.

Are you so mentally incompetent to not understand the "social" aspects that drive violence?
It has ZERO to do with guns. Those same people in California would be killing with knives.
It's happened in Australia with their gun ban, the UK, and everywhere else. ZERO change in actual violent death.

You are also immoral and ignorant for claiming gun owners as if it's something "macho".
That makes you a fool for believing Hollywood "portrayl" of the use of guns as if it's something macho. Us NORMAL people, who live in the REAL WORLD find nothing "macho" about it. It's a tool, for training, for self defense, hunting, protecting of the homeland, etc.

Are Martial Artists or Shaolin Monks "macho"? Are the Samari of Japan "macho"? Friggen ignorant you are.
Your very speaking is insulting. Scum of the earth you are.
And it's the same for your anti-mormonism. Wickedness incarnate.
Bearing false witness has NEVER been of God, against gun owners, against Mormonism, you are EVIL.

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It's happened in Australia with their gun ban, the UK, and everywhere else. ZERO change in actual violent death.

God, you are [personal attack deleted]:

"So what have the Australian laws actually done for homicide and suicide rates? Howard cites a study (pdf) by Andrew Leigh of Australian National University and Christine Neill of Wilfrid Laurier University finding that the firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65 percent, in the decade after the law was introduced, without a parallel increase in non-firearm homicides and suicides. That provides strong circumstantial evidence for the law’s effectiveness."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/08/02/did-gun-control-work-in-australia/

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It's happened in Australia with their gun ban, the UK, and everywhere else. ZERO change in actual violent death.

God, you are [personal attack deleted]:

"So what have the Australian laws actually done for homicide and suicide rates? Howard cites a study (pdf) by Andrew Leigh of Australian National University and Christine Neill of Wilfrid Laurier University finding that the firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65 percent, in the decade after the law was introduced, without a parallel increase in non-firearm homicides and suicides. That provides strong circumstantial evidence for the law’s effectiveness."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/08/02/did-gun-control-work-in-australia/

Actually, you're [personal attack deleted].... That statement is utterly false.

I've researched this issue directly, seeing the stats myself.
Yes, there is a "lower-rate" of violent death than previous, but that rate was already going down every year for the prior ten years before the gun ban. In other words, statistically speaking there was little actual change.

It's certainly not upwards of 59-65% reduction of violent death (gun deaths yes, but not violent death). That is a completely false statement. If I'm remembering right, there has only been a 10-15% reduction in violent death. More so, there HAS been an increase in other crimes because people are no longer allowed to defend themselves or their property.

by the way, you shouldn't use the "Washington Post" to quote anything. Liberals always use false information, half the truth to make their claims.