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Obamacare Hurts Small Business

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:28 pm
by _bcspace
Forty-one percent of the businesses surveyed have frozen hiring because of the health-care law known as Obamacare. And almost one-fifth—19 percent— answered "yes" when asked if they had "reduced the number of employees you have in your business as a specific result of the Affordable Care Act."

Another 38 percent of the small business owners said they "have pulled back on their plans to grow their business" because of Obamacare.

Those are "some pretty startling answers," Friedman said.

"To think that [nearly] 20 percent of small businesses have already reduced the numbers they have in their business because they're concerned about the medical coverage is significant, and a bit troubling," Friedman said.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100825782


The proof is in the pudding as if an anemic economy which can in part be traced to the passage of Obamacare weren't enough. My own small clientele represents tens of thousands of employees cut, not hired, or hours reduced.

Re: Obamacare Hurts Small Business

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:46 pm
by _krose
Correction: Irrational FEAR of the ACA has caused these effects. Fear stoked by right-wing lies about what the law is and what it will do. It hasn't even taken effect yet.

Re: Obamacare Hurts Small Business

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:52 pm
by _subgenius
krose wrote:Correction: Irrational FEAR of the ACA has caused these effects. Fear stoked by right-wing lies about what the law is and what it will do. It hasn't even taken effect yet.

1. There is no irrational fear of ACA, what there is would be best be termed as a rational avoidance...it is good business to avoid the cost increases of ACA. Even the President has confirmed this by his own "delay" of implementing the colossal disaster in policy. Your implication that small business owner are just gullible and afraid is absurd and insulting and proves that you, like Obama, know little to nothing about small business, economy, or basic math.
2. It hasn't taken effect yet because Obama no longer supports his own policy.

Re: Obamacare Hurts Small Business

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:53 pm
by _ajax18
Obama Care. Just wait to see what happen in 2013 & 2014!
Age 76 Today, I went to the Dr. for my monthly B12 shot that I have been getting for a number of years. The nurse came and got me, got out the needle filled and ready to go then looked at the computer and got very quiet and asked if I was prepared to pay for it. I said no that my insurance takes care of it.
She said, that Medicare had turned... it down and went to talk to my Dr. about it. 15 minutes later she came back and said, she was sorry but they had tried every-thing they could but Medicare is beginning to turn many things away for seniors because of the projected Obama Care coming in. She was brushing at tears and said, "Some day they too will get old", I am so very sorry!!
Please for the sake of many good people. . . ..be informed please .
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE THIS...
At age 76 when you most need it, you arenot eligible for cancer treatment
* see page 272
What Nancy Pelosi didn't want us to know until after the healthcare bill was passed. Remember she said, "We have to pass the Bill so that we can see what's in it." Well, here it is.
Obama Care Highlighted by Page Number
THE CARE BILL Hunter Biden 3200
JUDGE KITHIL IS THE 2ND OFFICIAL WHO HAS OUTLINED THESE PARTS OF THE CARE BILL.
Judge Kithil of Marble Falls, Texas - highlighted the most egregious pages of HB3200
Please read this....... especially the reference to pages 58 & 59

JUDGE KITHIL wrote:
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Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.

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Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.

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Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN).

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Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)

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Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors' fees.

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Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient's age.

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Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.
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Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years. (Death counseling..)

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Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.

HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on to identify:

"Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress.
Honorable David Kithil of Marble Falls , Texas


Think a single payer system would be better? I think that would be like everyone being on Medicaid.

Re: Obamacare Hurts Small Business

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:40 pm
by _Analytics
ajax18 wrote:
Obama Care. Just wait to see what happen in 2013 & 2014!
Age 76 Today, I went to the Dr. for my monthly B12 shot that I have been getting for a number of years. The nurse came and got me, got out the needle filled and ready to go then looked at the computer and got very quiet and asked if I was prepared to pay for it. I said no that my insurance takes care of it.
She said, that Medicare had turned... it down and went to talk to my Dr. about it. 15 minutes later she came back and said, she was sorry but they had tried every-thing they could but Medicare is beginning to turn many things away for seniors because of the projected Obama Care coming in. She was brushing at tears and said, "Some day they too will get old", I am so very sorry!!
Please for the sake of many good people. . . ..be informed please .
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE THIS...
At age 76 when you most need it, you arenot eligible for cancer treatment
* see page 272
What Nancy Pelosi didn't want us to know until after the healthcare bill was passed. Remember she said, "We have to pass the Bill so that we can see what's in it." Well, here it is.
Obama Care Highlighted by Page Number
THE CARE BILL Hunter Biden 3200
JUDGE KITHIL IS THE 2ND OFFICIAL WHO HAS OUTLINED THESE PARTS OF THE CARE BILL.
Judge Kithil of Marble Falls, Texas - highlighted the most egregious pages of HB3200
Please read this....... especially the reference to pages 58 & 59

JUDGE KITHIL wrote:
**
Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally....

I have a serious question for you ajax18. If there was something fundamentally wrong or bad about Obamacare, why wouldn't you choose to focus on those legitimate points and instead choose to repeat discredited lies?

The versions of this item that continue to be spread via e-mail forwards and online postings are wrong in nearly every particular.


http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/kithil.asp

Re: Obamacare Hurts Small Business

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:21 pm
by _krose
subgenius wrote:... you, like Obama, know little to nothing about small business...

That's an interesting thing to say to someone who actually owns one. Gee, I wonder what that "proves."

Re: Obamacare Hurts Small Business

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:58 am
by _krose
Here is the text of the actual law, Section 1312 (f) (3)

ACCESS LIMITED TO LAWFUL RESIDENTS.—If an individual is not, or is not reasonably expected to be for the entire period for which enrollment is sought, a citizen or national of the United States or an alien lawfully present in the United States, the individual shall not be treated as a qualified individual and may not be covered under a qualified health plan in the individual market that is offered through an Exchange.

Re: Obamacare Hurts Small Business

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:05 pm
by _ajax18
Perhaps we won't know which interpretations are exaggerations until the law is actually implemented, lawsuits are brought forward, and verdicts are issued.

Re: Obamacare Hurts Small Business

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:22 pm
by _Analytics
ajax18 wrote:Perhaps we won't know which interpretations are exaggerations until the law is actually implemented, lawsuits are brought forward, and verdicts are issued.

Perhaps. But consider what it is we are talking about. From your source:

Obama Care Highlighted by Page Number
THE CARE BILL Hunter Biden 3200

Note that House Bill 3200 is entitled "America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009" and was never passed by congress. The law that was passed and is commonly known as ObamaCare is "The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" H.R. 3590.

Everything in that story you wrote is false. It isn't a matter of being an interpretation--it's a flat out lie that has no basis in reality. The critique you cited wasn't written by a judge. A lady wasn't denied a shot because of ObamaCare. The page numbers you cite have absolutely nothing to do with the actual law (e.g. page 272 says nothing about the eligibility of cancer or any other treatment at any age--it just has some details about the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation, which oversees and finances research aimed to "reduce program expenditures under the applicable titles while preserving or enhancing the quality of care furnished to individuals under such titles").

And so it goes.

Re: Obamacare Hurts Small Business

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:16 pm
by _krose
ajax18 wrote:Perhaps we won't know which interpretations are exaggerations until the law is actually implemented, lawsuits are brought forward, and verdicts are issued.

You think the paragraph of text from the law that was passed is an interpretation? Seriously?

And out of curiosity, what kinds of lawsuits are you envisioning arising from the implementation?