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LittleNipper wrote:But those that acted on those mistakes who never came to a saving knowledge of Christ ----- but only followed LUTHER and LUTHER's teaching without acknowledging their own sin and need of the Savior were in error. Such sins are clearly compounded and produce destruction.

ludwigm wrote:I have appreciation problems with these sentences. I am Hungarian, you know...

huckelberry wrote:Ludwigm, I may be curious but I am puzzled by the "you know" in your comment.I miss your intended meaning entirely. I am embarrassed a bit but when it comes to Hungary ,I do not know,is a better description. Your past comments indicate you have an awareness of the shortcomings of American understanding of your cultural view point. It is true. For me Hungary is a little known place caught between larger historical forces. I might think of Mongol invasion, expansion of Ottoman empire, Protestant reformation and 30 year war, Hapsburg power, Germany and Russia fighting a couple world wars and USSR and the west with Hungary caught in between. I would suspect you see the word Hungarian with a whole different set of associations, or at least with many other important additional ones from your vantage point.

huckelberry wrote:Hungary is a little known place caught between larger historical forces

I would say instead "Hungary is a little place caught between larger historical forces".
Who are known, and who are not known?

I know the world through literature, the written image of the world. As You know (again the word "know"...) the real pictures are forbidden to me. Here.
I know the American literature - as the French, Anglian, (is there such word? I read it somewhere), German and of other little known places.

Reading - for example - P. G. Wodehouse, puts me into the world of English upper class.
Sinclair Lewis' works describe America - better than anything I could meet with personally.

Have You before You a name of any Hungarian celebrity - without wikipedia?
Be honest...

Zza Zza Gabor comes readily to my mind. Contrary to popular belief, Count Chocula was Estonian rather than Hungarian.

moksha wrote:Zza Zza Gabor comes readily to my mind.

I would like better if Your mind were bent to the direction of Leó Szilárd (Szilárd Leó), Eugene Wigner (Wigner Jenő), Edward Teller (Teller Ede), Dennis Gabor (Gábor Dénes), John von Neumann (Neumann János), Imre Kertész (Kertész Imre).
--- You know, we can not overcome our bad habit; we write the names with family name first, we write the dates in year/month/day sequence --- a stupid hobby with some advantages, as dates can be sorted a simpler way, the telephone directory doesn't begin with Aarons and Alexes, and such nicknames.

Zsa Zsa Gabor (Gábor Zsazsa) watch the spelling, please ... the "zs" is the fricative IPA "ʒ" as in English word "usual".

Hollywood?
As of 1996, Hungarians working in Hollywood had received more than 136 Academy Award nominations and about 30 Academy Awards. The peak was in the decade of the 1940s when about 43 nominations were given to exiled Hungarians.

Some of the greatest scientific minds of Hungary were actually Martians.

In my mind's eye, Hungary is sort of the crossroads between Western and Eastern Europe. The only book I've read about Hungary (I'm ashamed to say) is Ballad of the Whiskey Robber. I've read several books on the development of fission and fusion bombs, which has lead to a little familiarity with the aforementioned Martians. (I actually saw Edward Teller debate John Gofman about nuclear power during the 1970's).

MeDotOrg wrote:Martians

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http://www.kfki.hu/~tudtor/tudos1/martians.html

MeDotOrg wrote:Ballad of the Whiskey Robber

Yeah. Not the top of literature, I can say. Moreover, it was stolen from a book of a Hungarian author...

MeDotOrg wrote:Edward Teller & John Gofman

Even Teller had a big brain, he was too rightwingist (did I create a new word?) to my taste. A hawk.

I don't know that debate, but I would have seconded Gofman.
Nuclear radiation is a foul thing. One can not see it, one can not feel it - when its impact felt, it is too late - we barely can shield us against it, and the list would going on.
Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, Fukushima - and maybe a lot we know nothing about...

ludwigm wrote:

MeDotOrg wrote:Martians

http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3 ... 98#p184698
http://www.kfki.hu/~tudtor/tudos1/martians.html

MeDotOrg wrote:Ballad of the Whiskey Robber

Yeah. Not the top of literature, I can say. Moreover, it was stolen from a book of a Hungarian author...

MeDotOrg wrote:Edward Teller & John Gofman

Even Teller had a big brain, he was too rightwingist (did I create a new word?) to my taste. A hawk.

I don't know that debate, but I would have seconded Gofman.
Nuclear radiation is a foul thing. One can not see it, one can not feel it - when its impact felt, it is too late - we barely can shield us against it, and the list would going on.
Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, Fukushima - and maybe a lot we know nothing about...

I am aware of the impressive contributions by Hungarian scientists and mathematicians to human knowledge. Arguably the greatest and most versatile mathematician of modern times was John von Neumann. His biography, The Prisoner's Dilemma, by William Poundstone is one of the most enjoyable and interesting biographies I ever read. I highly recommend it!

I don't think any single individual, including Alan Turing, contributed more to the development of modern computer design than he did. In fact, he is credited with inventing the digital computer as we know it. His basic computer architecture is still the basis of most computers in use today. He was also the first head of the American Atomic Energy Commission. It was said that he could recite word for word an entire book he had read only once, years years after he read it. He could quickly do complex mathematical computations in his head that most of his colleagues required slide rules or advanced mechanical calculators or computers to do. I don't think that even the incredible, Indian mathematical prodigy, Srinivasa Ramanujan (whose biography I also read) exceeded von Neumann; plus von Neumann excelled in more than just mathematics. He was one of the most remarkable polymaths who ever lived.

Yet, he had some highly questionable ideas as well. He was an advocate of launching an all out nuclear, first strike on the Soviet Union to permanently remove its threat to world peace, which would certainly have started a nuclear, World War III.

moksha wrote: Contrary to popular belief, Count Chocula was Estonian rather than Hungarian.

Wait, did you say Count Chocula? Clearly you meant the great Lugosi Bela from the 1940's. Not to be confused with American banjo player Béla Anton Leoš Fleck who is named after Hungarian composer Béla Bartók, Austrian composer Anton Webern and Czech composer Leoš Janáček, not Lugosi Bela.

I'm a moderate supporter of Hungarian notation.

malkie wrote:I'm a moderate supporter of Hungarian notation.

It has some logic.

When I read a date as 11.06.07, I go mad.
For the names and dates, the only sane sequence were to put the most important part to first.

There are other logics around...
The only way of traffic is the way of England.
1. The people who are really count are right handed, have sword (on his left side) and travel on horse.
2. A right handed sworded rider gets on and off the left of the horse.
3. So, people who are only count should ride on the left side of the road.
4. The whole world outside are driving on the wrong lane of the road.