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Trump Threatens to Invade...

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:14 pm
by _Res Ipsa
Chicago?????

If Chicago doesn't fix the horrible "carnage" going on, 228 shootings in 2017 with 42 killings (up 24% from 2016), I will send in the Feds!

:rolleyes:

Re: Trump Threatens to Invade...

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:59 pm
by _Some Schmo
Christ. Why did we hand all this power to a damned child?

by the way, I'm told that the American experiment is hard, but it's been working for 240 years because of checks and balances. Where the “F” are those today?

Re: Trump Threatens to Invade...

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:02 pm
by _EAllusion
The disturbing subtext to this one is that this tweet was in direct response to Trump watching the O'Reiley factor. His tweets can still be easily explained in terms of what cable news program he seems to be watching at the time. And that still is a large amount of time. I don't know guys. Seems like a trait you wouldn't want in the most powerful person in the world.

Re: Trump Threatens to Invade...

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:59 pm
by _The CCC

Re: Trump Threatens to Invade...

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:14 pm
by _honorentheos
EAllusion wrote:The disturbing subtext to this one is that this tweet was in direct response to Trump watching the O'Reiley factor. His tweets can still be easily explained in terms of what cable news program he seems to be watching at the time. And that still is a large amount of time. I don't know guys. Seems like a trait you wouldn't want in the most powerful person in the world.

It's dawned on me that my Mormon grandmas online presence is very Trumpesque. And I've become immune to her brand of conservative crazy over time. Now, I find I have to force myself to not just tune out by habit. That's kinda scary in multiple ways.

Re: Trump Threatens to Invade...

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:22 pm
by _Black Moclips
All kidding aside, what will fix Chicago's problems? What government program is left that hasn't been implemented yet that we can throw billions at to end this cycle of poverty, drugs and crime Chicago?

Re: Trump Threatens to Invade...

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:26 pm
by _Res Ipsa
Black Moclips wrote:All kidding aside, what will fix Chicago's problems? What government program is left that hasn't been implemented yet that we can throw billions at to end this cycle of poverty, drugs and crime Chicago?


Well, what has been the trend of crime in Chicago over the last 30 years? That would be one place to start. Then do the same thing with poverty. Then review the relevant literature to look for what we've tried, evaluations of what we've tried, and things we haven't tried. Spitballing here won't answer your question.

Re: Trump Threatens to Invade...

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:41 pm
by _Black Moclips
Res Ipsa wrote:
Black Moclips wrote:All kidding aside, what will fix Chicago's problems? What government program is left that hasn't been implemented yet that we can throw billions at to end this cycle of poverty, drugs and crime Chicago?


Well, what has been the trend of crime in Chicago over the last 30 years? That would be one place to start. Then do the same thing with poverty. Then review the relevant literature to look for what we've tried, evaluations of what we've tried, and things we haven't tried. Spitballing here won't answer your question.


Yeah, its a rhetorical question. I don't expect any real answers here. I just think its funny that people laugh and ridicule Trump's comments (which, depending on what he meant by "sending in the feds" would determine what I think about it), when what they really should be laughing and ridiculing is Chicago's current government and administration.

Re: Trump Threatens to Invade...

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:44 pm
by _Res Ipsa
No, that's exactly what they shouldn't be doing. If that's what you're doing, you're the problem, not the solution.

The question shouldn't be rhetorical. It should be sincere.

Re: Trump Threatens to Invade...

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:52 pm
by _just me
Black Moclips wrote:All kidding aside, what will fix Chicago's problems? What government program is left that hasn't been implemented yet that we can throw billions at to end this cycle of poverty, drugs and crime Chicago?


A lot of the things that could help are very controversial.

Decriminalizing drug use, for example. Have free clean needle exchange programs. Decriminalize prostitution. Stop making poverty and homelessness a crime.

Cash for guns and programs that reward some of the most violent offenders in Chicago for NOT being violent. Again, very controversial. But if it's true that most of the violence stems from about 1300 individuals than you focus your efforts on helping those particular individuals now while laying the foundation for the next generation coming up to have more opportunity.

Put more money into healthcare, education, and infrastructure. Look at what has been working over the past 20 years to bring down crime and violence and keep doing those things.

Make guns harder to get across the country by expanding background checks and mandatory wait times. People with a history of domestic violence should be banned from ever owning a gun.

Invest in really comprehensive police training on de-escalating, dealing with mental health crises and working with the community. Train them to know the exact boundaries so they are empowered to do take the right amount of action in each instance. Invest in bodycams. We also need to encourage a change in LE so that it appeals to POC and more women. We need to encourage people from all walks of life to join the force. We need outside investigations into corruption and misconduct.

Or we can send in "the Feds." Whatever the hell that means.