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Care to guess...
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:34 pm
by _subgenius
...why Democrats arent campaigning on Russian collusion?
Re: Care to guess...
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:16 pm
by _MeDotOrg
I would imagine they are waiting for the Mueller investigation. It is also quite possible after Tuesday that Adam Schiff and not Devin Nunes will be in charge of the House Committee. Collusion is just one of the potential crimes being investigated.
I would think in the month following the midterms you will see a Muller release some findings and/or additional indictments. As far as I know Mueller has not interviewed Roger Stone, who would be the most likely linchpin in a collusion investigation, and I would think that any report would be incomplete without his interview.
In some ways the Democrats talking about collusion is the same as Trump talking about the 'invasion'. It gins up the base but also creates a negative response on the other side as well. And like the 'invasion', we're not going to know until after Tuesday.
Re: Care to guess...
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:18 pm
by _Water Dog
For the same reason that they no longer care about rape allegations against Kavanaugh, perhaps?
Re: Care to guess...
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:54 pm
by _EAllusion
subgenius wrote:...why Democrats aren't campaigning on Russian collusion?
Health Care moves votes more. That's why.
Re: Care to guess...
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:40 pm
by _Dr Exiled
It was nonsense to begin with. Russia didn't make people hate Clinton, she did. Russia didn't make her collude with the DNC to screw Sanders and his followers, she and the DNC did. She was the one who didn't campaign in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and other key states that went to Trump. Also, if one cares to look for the truth, Bill Binney, NSA whistleblower, and his group Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) shows that the alleged Russia hack of the DNC server could not have happened. It was a leak done by an insider and the contents were given to wikileaks.
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-russia-hack-evidence/
Re: Care to guess...
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:39 pm
by _Kevin Graham
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"Rumor has it that Senator Joe Donnelly of Indiana is paying for Facebook ads for his so-called opponent on the libertarian ticket. Donnelly is trying to steal the election?
Isn’t that what Russia did!?" 2:05 PM - 3 Nov 2018
Re: Care to guess...
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:02 pm
by _Dr Exiled
Kevin Graham wrote:https://Twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1058827516427808768
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"Rumor has it that Senator Joe Donnelly of Indiana is paying for Facebook ads for his so-called opponent on the libertarian ticket. Donnelly is trying to steal the election? Isn’t that what Russia did!?" 2:05 PM - 3 Nov 2018
Obviously, it doesn't matter whether or not Trump uses the false Russia hack narrative. The Russians didn't hack the DNC computer. It was an insider. Also, take a look at this article on the incredibly small Facebook campaign allegedly waged by the Russians.
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/11/02/33-trillion-more-reasons-why-the-new-york-times-gets-it-wrong-on-russia-gate/This Russia hysteria is just a ruse to deflect from looking at the corruption at the DNC and a refusal to do an autopsy of the real reasons why Clinton is was a horrible candidate. Corporatist Clinton was the worst candidate for the democrats to put up and probably the only one who could have lost to Trump. People are tired of corporate democrats caving to wall street. If the democrats would run on what comedian Jimmy Dore suggests (end the wars, public option in health care, free college)
https://jimmydorecomedy.com/home/ (listen to the Nov 1 show when he interviews Jill Stein), they would clean up, but do not because their donors (wall street) don't want them to. Unfortunately, the democratic party has become the party of saying no to the progressive left on behalf of wall street donors/warmongers. It is time for a third party or more independents who just look at the issues.
Re: Care to guess...
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:48 pm
by _Kevin Graham
Exiled, you live in another universe divorced from reality. Clinton is the only candidate who could have lost to Trump? Did you forget she got the majority vote by 3 million and the only reason she lost was the Comey letter? We get that you hate her, but most voters didn't. The Russian hack isn't a "ruse" and that comment doesn't even make sense since the OP is wondering why no one is campaigning on it. Democrats didn't invent the Russian hack "nonsense" they simply took from what the intelligence agencies had said and warned about.
Re: Care to guess...
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:11 pm
by _Dr Exiled
Remember when it was supposedly 17 agencies that were on board with Russia hack nonsense. Then, the muted retraction by the NY Times at the end of an article attacking Trump: [url]
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/25/us/p ... .html?_r=0[/url] 17 denied by Clapper and Brennan and admit to the handpicking of the analysts that put forward the nonsense
http://mikenormaneconomics.blogspot.com/2017/06/robert-parry-nyt-finally-retracts_29.html?m=1Then Seymour Hersh corroborates that the story was invented: [url]
https://original.antiwar.com/justin/201 ... ssia-gate/ [/url]
Re: Care to guess...
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:00 am
by _Chap
Kevin Graham wrote:Exiled, you live in another universe divorced from reality. Clinton is the only candidate who could have lost to Trump? Did you forget she got the majority vote by 3 million
Yup. Trump was not the choice of most Americans who voted.
Kevin Graham wrote: ... and the only reason she lost was the Comey letter?
Given the huge impact of that letter at a crucial moment very late in the campaign, and the very small margins by which some key states were lost to Trump, I'd say that absent the Comey letter she would probably have won.