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Cohen spills beans on Trump/Russia: Trump cancels on Putin

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:20 pm
by _Chap
Michael Cohen pleads guilty to lying to Congress over Trump project in Russia
Former legal fixer said Trump continued trying to develop tower in Moscow months into presidential campaign



And a bit later Trump cancelled his scheduled meeting with Putin ... suddenly the Sea of Azov was very important to him ...

One of Donald Trump’s closest advisers spoke with a Kremlin official about securing Russian government support for a planned Trump Tower in Moscow during the 2016 presidential election campaign, he said on Thursday.

Michael Cohen, who served as Trump’s legal fixer for more than a decade, said in an explosive testimony that Trump continued trying to develop a tower in Russia’s capital months into his campaign for the presidency – contradicting Trump’s account.

The development signalled legal peril for Trump, whose presidency has been besieged by special counsel Robert Mueller’s inquiry into whether his campaign team colluded with Russia’s interference in the 2016 US election.

Cohen made his disclosure as he pleaded guilty to lying to Congress about the Moscow project. He said he made false statements to hinder the Trump-Russia investigation and to protect Trump, who was identified in court as “Individual 1”.

“I made these statements to be consistent with Individual 1’s political messaging and out of loyalty with Individual 1,” Cohen told the federal court in Manhattan on Thursday morning, after signing a plea agreement with Mueller. He did not say if Trump directed him to lie.

Mueller said Cohen had specified that he lied “to give the false impression that the Moscow project ended before the Iowa caucus” which took place on 1 February – the critical first vote in Trump’s presidential primary contest in 2016.

Outside the White House, Trump told reporters that Cohen was “a weak person and not a very smart person” and claimed without evidence that Cohen was lying to secure a reduced punishment for other crimes.

Mueller said that in addition to lying about the extent of Trump’s oversight of the Moscow project, Cohen’s emails showed that he also lied when he told Congress that there had been no plans for Trump to travel to Moscow in 2016.

The new disclosures challenged Trump’s repeated denials that neither he, nor his associates, had any contact with Russian officials. Mueller is investigating whether Trump’s team coordinated with Moscow’s interference in 2016, which US intelligence agencies concluded was aimed at helping Trump win.

In August last year, Cohen told congressional investigators that though he had sent a speculative email to Russian president Vladimir Putin’s press secretary, Dmitry Peskov, about the Trump Tower project, he received no reply, and had no other contacts with Russian officials about the plans.

But Mueller said in a court filing on Thursday that Cohen now admitted that he did receive a reply from Peskov’s office, and that during a telephone call with Peskov’s assistant in January 2016, he “requested assistance in moving the project forward” with land and financing.

Cohen also said on Thursday that efforts to pursue the Moscow project actually continued until June 2016 – several months later than he claimed previously. By that time, Trump was the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.

Last year, Cohen claimed to Congress that in January 2016 it was decided the Moscow development “was not feasible for a variety of business reasons and should not be pursued further”. This allowed Trump to deny having had any business ties to Russians during the presidential campaign.

Cohen now admitted that he had briefed Trump on the Moscow more frequently than the three occasions that he previously said, according to Mueller, and that he also briefed unidentified Trump “family members”. Trump’s eldest three children were senior executives in his property company.

The special counsel said Cohen also made plans for Trump to travel to Russia during the presidential campaign. He asked Trump if a visit would be possible and “asked a senior campaign official about potential business travel to Russia”, Mueller said.

Cohen allegedly said in a May 2016 email that Trump’s visit to Russia would take place “once he becomes the nominee after the convention”.

Mueller said Cohen made that suggestion in an email to Felix Sater, a Russian-born business associate of the Trump's, who worked with Cohen on the “Trump Tower Russia” plans and claimed to have connections with influential figures in Moscow.

Sater, identified as “Individual 2”, emailed Cohen the day after Cohen spoke with the Kremlin aide, according to Mueller. “It’s about Putin they called today,” the email said.

Sater continued trying to arrange travel to Russia for the project for several months, according to Mueller. In May 2016, he wrote to Cohen to say he had spoken “with Moscow” about “a pre-meeting trip” involving only Cohen and a possible further visit involving “the two big guys” – apparent references to Trump and Putin.

Sater also emailed Cohen to say that Peskov wanted to invite Cohen to the June 2016 St Petersburg Forum – styled as Russia’s answer to the World Economic Forum in Davos – where Cohen could meet Putin or Dmitry Medvedev, the Russian prime minister.

“He said anything you want to discuss, including dates and subjects, are on the table to discuss,” Sater told Cohen. Mueller said Cohen eventually scrapped plans to attend the conference.

In August this year, Cohen pleaded guilty to violating election campaign finance laws. He told the court at the time that he did so at the direction of Trump. He has been cooperating with Mueller’s Trump-Russia investigation since then.

Cohen on Thursday appeared more upbeat than at his August hearing. He greeted reporters and seemed relaxed throughout proceedings. Wearing a grey suit, white shirt and periwinkle tie, Cohen answered routine questions from Judge Andrew Carter about whether anything – such as prescription medications – could affect his judgment in pleading guilty. He said no.

The developments followed several days of increasingly frenzied attacks against Mueller by Trump, who has without evidence accused the special counsel of carrying out a “witch-hunt” against him and his associates.

Mueller said on Monday that Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chairman, had continued lying to investigators even after agreeing to cooperate with the inquiry into Russian election interference.

The new actions against Manafort and Cohen promptly followed the president’s long-delayed submission of written answers to questions from Mueller. Investigators are likely to be comparing alleged and admitted lies told by Manafort and Cohen with the answers provided by Trump to check the president gave truthful responses.

Re: Cohen spills beans on Trump/Russia: Trump cancels on Put

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:43 pm
by _canpakes
Outside the White House, Trump told reporters that Cohen was “a weak person and not a very smart person” ...

I wonder if his stable genius gut told him that, and when.

Re: Cohen spills beans on Trump/Russia: Trump cancels on Put

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:50 pm
by _Chap
canpakes wrote:
Outside the White House, Trump told reporters that Cohen was “a weak person and not a very smart person” ...

I wonder if his stable genius gut told him that, and when.


Rather nicely, someone then asked Trump the obvious question:

Q: “If Cohen is such a bum, why did you hire him, have him on your payroll for 12 years and have him do so much of your dirty work?”

Trump: “Because a long time ago he did me a favor. A long time ago he did me a favor.”

So that's all right, then ...

Re: Cohen spills beans on Trump/Russia: Trump cancels on Put

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:36 am
by _MeDotOrg
Buzzfeed is reporting that Putin was to be given a free $50 million dollar Penthouse at Trump Moscow.

President Donald Trump’s company planned to give a $50 million penthouse at Trump Tower Moscow to Russian President Vladimir Putin as the company negotiated the luxury real estate development during the 2016 campaign, according to four people, one of them the originator of the plan.

Two US law enforcement officials told BuzzFeed News that Michael Cohen, Trump’s personal lawyer at the time, discussed the idea with a representative of Dmitry Peskov, Putin’s press secretary.

So no business dealings with Russia, other than the Trump Moscow Tower with a $50 million dollar penthouse for Vladimir Putin. What's wrong with that? Can't a guy make an honest ruble anymore?

It was pointed out that just before Trump went to Helsinki, Mueller announced the indictments against 12 Russian spies. And just before Trump goes to the G20 in Argentina is the time Mueller informs the world that Michael Cohen said his boss was working on the Trump Tower Moscow deal up until June 9th. Trump has cancelled his meeting with Putin, ostensibly because of Russia's problems with Ukraine, but all of that happened days ago. And out in the big boy world beyond Trumpland, it is not customary to withdraw from a planned meeting with a major foreign power via tweet. So the meeting was clearly cancelled because Trump feared the perception of impropriety in his relationship with Putin.

Trump or Dershowitz can say that no crime was committed, but it is all part of a pattern to deceive the American people to win the election. Trump wasn't sure if he would win the nomination so he was still working on the Tower deal up until the first week in June. But June 14th was the Manhattan Trump Tower meeting about dirt on Hillary Clinton.

If the American public had known in the fall of 2016 that Trump, who said he had no business dealings with Russia, had been negotiating on Trump Tower Moscow up until June, and at that point started asking the Russian Government for help finding Hillary Clinton's emails (provided through Wikileaks), as well as the then-hidden hush money payments to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal, I don't think Donald Trump would have been elected President.

And keep in mind that we are nowhere near seeing the best cards in Mueller's hand.

Re: Cohen spills beans on Trump/Russia: Trump cancels on Put

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:52 pm
by _EAllusion
It's weird that almost everyone important in Trump's orbit keeps getting caught lying, including under penalty of perjury, over and over about Russian connections and interactions when all they were doing was perfectly innocent, legal things.

Re: Cohen spills beans on Trump/Russia: Trump cancels on Put

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:22 pm
by _ajax18
I know I certainly wouldn't have voted for DJT had I known this. lol

Who cares that we've finally found a candidate serious about enforcing the border. He gave Putin a $50 million penthouse.

Re: Cohen spills beans on Trump/Russia: Trump cancels on Put

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:36 pm
by _Doctor Steuss
ajax18 wrote:[...]
Who cares that we've finally found a candidate serious about enforcing the border. He gave Putin a $50 million penthouse.

for what it's worth, border patrol apprehensions for 2017 were the lowest since 1971 (over 100,000 less than in Obama's final year).

Re: Cohen spills beans on Trump/Russia: Trump cancels on Put

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:19 pm
by _Doctor CamNC4Me
I think for people like subgenius it's a matter of him not really understanding what's at play here.

Trump is a narcissist, for sure, and perhaps a psychopath which would explain why he assumes he's the smartest guy in the room; it's his willingness to lie, cheat, and steal without a second thought that demonstrates who and what he is. The money he inherited from his father tipped his dealings in his favor, not understanding that it's the money he inherited which draws others to him. It isn't his acumen. It's his money and understanding how to game the system that makes him attractive to others.

So when the Russians got cozy with him he just figured that he'd outsmart them, like he thinks he always does.

He got played. And he got played because genuinely intelligent people who're better organized, more informed, and because they are a nation-state negated his usual advantage which is his money. Why would Trump get involved with Putin?

The lure for Trump was the Putin is the richest man in the world because he plundered his country, and the Russians sold Trump on the idea that he could do the same thing in the US. Look at the way he and his family have used the Office of the Presidency as leverage to make millions so far. Remember, Trump isn't about right and wrong, the law just prevented him from doing and getting what he wanted. He thought he could be Putin. The lure of Putinesque riches was, in fact, his wildest dream.

So, Trump treats his Presidency just like he runs his companies. He decides what he wants and he expects his lackeys to go and get it for him. If he needs to "wheel and deal" to get what he wants it's ok because he's the President. It doesn't matter if he compromises national security, or he betrays the trust of the people because none of those things matter to him. If his lackeys can't get what he wants he fires them. He doesn't understand right and wrong, he doesn't understand negotiations, he doesn't understand diplomacy, he doesn't understand that when he says stuff that it matters; he thinks he's playing a game called "doing business."

Here's where subgenius and ajax18 (and perhaps people like Ceeboo and Markk) come into play. He knows that if he tells scared blue collar workers what they want to hear he'll get their support. He knows when he tells the scared White people that he'll get rid of the "bad" non-White people he'll get their support. He knows if the tells the scared Christians that he'll take get Conservative judges into place and get rid of abortion he'll get their support. None of what he says matters to him. They're just words. It's all a means to an end, and him getting what he wants, those billions of sweet deal-dollars, is the only thing that matters to him. You know what? Typing this out I can just go ahead and state for sure that Trump is a narcissistic psychopath, and he's a bully.

For Trump, bless his heart, he thinks that by virtue of being President he's like Putin, or Kim Jong-Un, and he's all-powerful and is above everything and everyone. He has no frame of reference for what's happening. Getting push back doesn't make sense to him. What he's doing is not an act; they're the actions of a deeply deluded individual. And when it comes time to answer for his crimes, once the Republican justice-blockade crumbles, he'll go down swinging like every other dictator, feeling wronged, bewildered at what's happening to him, and claiming to be a martyr for his country. Total BS, but it is what it is.

- Doc

Re: Cohen spills beans on Trump/Russia: Trump cancels on Put

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:37 pm
by _schreech
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Here's where subgenius and ajax18 (and perhaps people like Ceeboo and Markk) come into play. He knows that if he tells scared blue collar workers what they want to hear he'll get their support. He knows when he tells the scared White people that he'll get rid of the "bad" non-White people he'll get their support. He knows if the tells the scared Christians that he'll take get Conservative judges into place and get rid of abortion he'll get their support. None of what he says matters to him. They're just words. It's all a means to an end, and him getting what he wants, those billions of sweet deal-dollars, is the only thing that matters to him. You know what? Typing this out I can just go ahead and state for sure that Trump is a narcissistic psychopath, and he's a bully.


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I've given up assuming that the cheeto's simpleton supporters will turn on him when they realize they have been played - they have ignored every other dishonest, criminal and disgusting thing he has done to this point and I don't think they will change. Trumpologists are as bad as know-nothing mopologists. They will never figure it out, they have hitched their fears, lack of successes, dislikes of change, racist tenancies, etc. to the carrot colored, lard ass in the oval office and all he needs to do is tweet things they want to hear and its all good. They will blindly support him while he "F"s them in the arse. There is this huge group of shallow, not all that bright sycophants that are blindly supporting a man who is actively working against their best interests, constantly. Its the equivalent of watching shady investors take advantage of elderly people who may not understand that they are being taken advantage of...Just reading the posts of our resident trumpsters makes me just feel sorry for them in their simple, sad, desperate support of the guy. Their lives will continue to suck regardless of the president because of who they are, not who is in charge.

Re: Cohen spills beans on Trump/Russia: Trump cancels on Put

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:49 pm
by _Doctor CamNC4Me
schreech wrote:Its the equivalent of watching shady investors take advantage of elderly people who may not understand that they are being taken advantage of...


I think that's a pretty apt description, except in your scenario the old people bring up other examples of other investors taking advantage of other people and thus they really believe they're smarter than those people and this investor will totes come through for them.

Whatever the case may be, they'll entrench and that's that. We'll see where this all goes because we don't really have a choice until the next election cycle rolls around.

- Doc