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Manafort shared polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:56 am
by _MeDotOrg
The new NothingBurger®, now served with borscht and cabbage:

The New York Times wrote:WASHINGTON — As a top official in President Trump’s campaign, Paul Manafort shared political polling data with a business associate tied to Russian intelligence, according to a court filing unsealed on Tuesday. The document provided the clearest evidence to date that the Trump campaign may have tried to coordinate with Russians during the 2016 presidential race.

Mr. Manafort’s lawyers made the disclosure by accident, through a formatting error in a document filed to respond to charges that he had lied to prosecutors working for the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, after agreeing to cooperate with their investigation into Russian interference in the election.

The document also revealed that during the campaign, Mr. Manafort and his Russian associate, Konstantin V. Kilimnik, discussed a plan for peace in Ukraine. Throughout the campaign and the early days of the Trump administration, Russia and its allies were pushing various plans for Ukraine in the hope of gaining relief from American-led sanctions imposed after it annexed Crimea from Ukraine.

Prosecutors and the news media have already documented a string of encounters between Russian operatives and Trump campaign associates dating from the early months of Mr. Trump’s bid for the presidency, including the now-famous meeting at Trump Tower in Manhattan with a Russian lawyer promising damaging information on Hillary Clinton. The accidental disclosure appeared to some experts to be perhaps most damning of all.

“This is the closest thing we have seen to collusion,” Clint Watts, a senior fellow with the Foreign Policy Research Institute, said of the data-sharing. “The question now is, did the president know about it?”

The document gave no indication of whether Mr. Trump was aware of the data transfer or how Mr. Kilimnik might have used the information. But from March to August 2016, when Mr. Manafort worked for the Trump campaign, Russia was engaged in a full-fledged operation using social media, stolen emails and other tactics to boost Mr. Trump, attack Mrs. Clinton and play on divisive issues such as race and guns. Polling data could conceivably have helped Russia hone those messages and target audiences to help swing votes to Mr. Trump.

Both Mr. Manafort and Rick Gates, the deputy campaign manager, transferred the data to Mr. Kilimnik in the spring of 2016 as Mr. Trump clinched the Republican presidential nomination, according to a person knowledgeable about the situation. Most of the data was public, but some of it was developed by a private polling firm working for the campaign, according to the person.

Mr. Manafort asked Mr. Gates to tell Mr. Kilimnik to pass the data to Oleg V. Deripaska, a Russian oligarch who is close to the Kremlin and who has claimed that Mr. Manafort owed him money from a failed business venture, the person said. It is unclear whether Mr. Manafort was acting at the campaign’s behest or independently, trying to gain favor with someone to whom he was deeply in debt.

The surprise disclosures about Mr. Manafort were the latest in two years of steady revelations about contacts between associates of Mr. Trump’s and Russian officials or operatives. In another development on Tuesday, the Russian lawyer who met with senior campaign officials at Trump Tower in June 2016 was charged with obstruction of justice in an unrelated case. Federal prosecutors in Manhattan said that the lawyer, Natalia V. Veselnitskaya, had pretended to a federal judge that she was purely a private defense lawyer when in fact she was working with the Russian government to thwart the civil prosecution of a Russian company.

Keep looking at those Mexicans coming across the border, folks. Nothing else to see. That wasn't collusion. That was just sharing data with a friend. Who you gonna trust: Konstantin Kilimnik or that horribly compromised Democrat lover Robert Mueller?

Re: Manafort shared polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:40 am
by _Doctor CamNC4Me
‘Dad and Trump are literally living in the same building and mom says they go up and down all day long hanging and plotting together.’

~Jessica Manafort

Re: Manafort shared polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:18 am
by _Chap
But have they found the smocking gun????

Re: Manafort shared polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:39 am
by _Doctor CamNC4Me
Chap wrote:But have they found the smocking gun????


No. The only proof that's acceptable is having Trump on camera twisting his mustache while admitting to his plot:

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eta: No one in my campaign (except for the campaign manager) had any contact (except for important information about who to target) with the Russians (except for that one GRU agent).

eta2: A handy dandy link chart from another post I made on this topic:

viewtopic.php?p=1163476#p1163476

- Doc

Re: Manafort shared polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:29 pm
by _subgenius
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Chap wrote:But have they found the smocking gun????


No. The only proof that's acceptable is having Trump on camera twisting his mustache while admitting to his plot:


- Doc

Yea, because we should consider people guilty once something is indelible to the hippocampus. Actual evidence of guilt is overrated, being next to a guilty person has got be enough...you don't have to be guilty of the same thing of course...nevertheless, our court systems are burdened enough, doing away due process and evidence procedures would be a more efficient road to justice - nice job Doc!

Re: Manafort shared polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:40 pm
by _canpakes
subgenius wrote:Yea, because we should consider people guilty once something is indelible to the hippocampus. Actual evidence of guilt is overrated, being next to a guilty person has got be enough...you don't have to be guilty of the same thing of course...nevertheless, our court systems are burdened enough, doing away due process and evidence procedures would be a more efficient road to justice - nice job Doc!

Says the fellow still pushing the Clinton Kill List, Pizzagate and Dijon mustard ‘scandals’. : D

Re: Manafort shared polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:51 pm
by _moksha
subgenius wrote:... being next to a guilty person has got be enough...

Excellent point. Just because they are seen waddling down the road together does not mean they are both ducks. One could be a duck and the other could be an impersonator who was innocently trying to humor the first duck. As Johnny Cochran would point out, "Only if they quack must you react".

Re: Manafort shared polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:07 pm
by _ajax18
As Johnny Cochran would point out, "Only if they quack must you react".


Johnny Cochran, one of the fabled heroes of 90s leftism indeed. OJ didn't kill her. They're just saying that because they're racist. We need criminal justice reform because the system isn't fair to black people.

Did you go march in the streets of your native California and burn stuff down along with the crips and the bloods when OJ was arrested Moksha?

Re: Manafort shared polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:21 pm
by _Doctor CamNC4Me
subgenius wrote:Yea, because we should consider people guilty once something is indelible to the hippocampus. Actual evidence of guilt is overrated, being next to a guilty person has got be enough...you don't have to be guilty of the same thing of course...nevertheless, our court systems are burdened enough, doing away due process and evidence procedures would be a more efficient road to justice - nice job Doc!


No one in my campaign (except for the campaign manager) had any contact (except for important information about who to target) with the Russians (except for that one GRU agent).

- Doc

Re: Manafort shared polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:27 pm
by _EAllusion
ajax18 wrote:Did you go march in the streets of your native California and burn stuff down along with the crips and the bloods when OJ was arrested Moksha?
Are you saying hanging out with violent gangsters is a bad thing Ajax?

I have some bad news about your political heroes.

*points up*