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So are we invading Venezuela now?

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:44 am
by _Kevin Graham
Like clockwork, when everything is going wrong and a distraction is desperately needed, Republicans resort to military invasions to garner support from Americans because anything less would be 'unpatriotic', right?

John Bolton’s Notes Indicate U.S. Troop Deployment An Option On Venezuela

WASHINGTON ― Trump administration officials maintained Monday that “all options” ― including the use of military force ― are on the table concerning its attempts to remove Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro from power. And if National Security Adviser John Bolton’s notebook is to be believed, deploying troops to the region may be closer to reality than not.

During a White House press briefing meant to detail new sanctions on Maduro and Venezuela’s state-owned oil company, Bolton was photographed holding a yellow legal pad that read, “5,000 troops to Colombia,” a country sharing a border with Venezuela.

The potential security breach was quickly spotted by observers on Twitter after an Associated Press picture from the briefing was published atop stories at NBC and other outlets.

“As the president has said, all options are on the table,” a White House spokesperson said when asked if sending troops to Colombia was under consideration.

An unnamed U.S. official said they had not seen anything to support Bolton’s notes, a Reuters reporter tweeted.

The Trump administration took its most aggressive steps to help topple Maduro from office last week when it officially recognized Venezuelan National Assembly leader Juan Guaido as the country’s interim president, just hours after Guaido swore himself into the office.

Guaido leads a multi-party opposition effort to Maduro, who won a disputed election in May 2018 that his Venezuelan opponents and other nations, including the U.S. and several Latin American democracies, considered illegitimate. Large protests in Venezuela have bolstered the push to remove Maduro, whose time in office has included authoritarian crackdowns on political foes and an economic crisis driven in part by a collapse in global oil prices.

The U.S. announcement of new sanctions followed Maduro’s refusal to cede his post to Guaido in the face of pressure from the White House. The Trump administration hopes the additional economic penalties targeting Maduro’s government and the state-owned oil company will bolster their efforts to break the will of the armed forces, whose continued support for Maduro is crucial to his bid to retain power.

Use of U.S. military force in Venezuela could spark an outbreak of violence in a country already plagued by ongoing humanitarian crises, experts have warned.

“I have to think that there’s not much real appetite for a military intervention in Venezuela in the Trump administration,” Geoff Ramsey, an expert on the country at the Washington Office for Latin America, a think tank, said Monday.

He told HuffPost before the administration briefing that he believed U.S. officials are “really interested in talking the talk and not necessarily walking the walk. And I think the Maduro regime knows that, and they know that a kind of confrontational rhetoric really ultimately weakens the hand of the U.S.”

“I would like to think that the foreign policy establishment actually understands that intervening militarily in Venezuela would be a disaster,” Ramsey said. “A military option, even threats of a military option, are entirely counterproductive and need to be kept off the table at all costs.”

The U.S. has a long history of using its military and intelligence services to try to oust Latin American leaders it opposes. The U.S. was closely linked to a failed coup against socialist President Hugo Chavez in 2002. Chavez died in office in 2013, and Maduro replaced him.

The Trump administration last week appointed Elliott Abrams, a former adviser to presidents George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan, as its special envoy to Venezuela. Abrams approved the Bush administration’s coup effort against Chavez, according to reports from that time.


I think Donny had movie night and watched Clear and Present Danger.

Re: So are we invading Venezuela now?

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:53 am
by _ajax18
The US is invading a country where 99.9% of the population would like to become US citizens. Odd

Re: So are we invading Venezuela now?

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:20 am
by _Kevin Graham
ajax18 wrote:The US is invading a country where 99.9% of the population would like to become US citizens. Odd


There you go again pretending to have the faintest clue about other people in other countries.

Funny how we're always invading countries with a ton of oil, eh?

And this notepad just goes to show the incompetence of this administration. Had this happened with Hillary as President you'd be calling her a clear and present danger who can't handle gov secrets responsibly.

Re: So are we invading Venezuela now?

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:43 am
by _canpakes
ajax18 wrote:The US is invading a country where 99.9% of the population would like to become US citizens. Odd

This is how Trump will solve the 'crisis' at the border. If we invade more Central and South American countries and convert them to American Commonwealth status, then the nice Latino folks within them are no longer illegal when they step off the plane after their flight to America.

Hey, it worked with Puerto Rico, right?

Re: So are we invading Venezuela now?

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:26 pm
by _subgenius
Kevin Graham wrote:
ajax18 wrote:The US is invading a country where 99.9% of the population would like to become US citizens. Odd

There you go again pretending to have the faintest clue about other people in other countries.

Which matches up to your cluelessness about Venezuela and the posed single note on a pad of paper. Gosh darn! how could Bolton have been so careless?!?!?

Re: So are we invading Venezuela now?

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:33 pm
by _EAllusion
There's a low drumbeat for war with Venezuela starting to come from conservative influencers. In my favorite example, the WSJ printed an editorial that characterized Sanders condemning Maduro, but also criticizing the idea of war with Venezuela as equivalent to supporting the dictator. (Haven't heard that logic before...) We're a little over a year removed from when the idea that Trump floated war with Venezuela was treated as a story that illustrates just how nuts his Whitehouse is.

Re: So are we invading Venezuela now?

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:44 pm
by _EAllusion
And apparently John Bolton just went on Fox and said that America needs to take over Venezuelan oil production. Jesus.

Re: So are we invading Venezuela now?

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:57 pm
by _Chap
EAllusion wrote:And apparently John Bolton just went on Fox and said that America needs to take over Venezuelan oil production. Jesus.


Such a brilliant man! His statement will ensure that people desert Maduro in even larger droves than they were before. In no way can it possibly make the challenger Guaido lose support by making him look like a tool of foreign interests. How pleased Guaido must be by this clever new move by the Trump White House!

Truly everybody in Venezuela, and the whole of South America will love and admire the US when they see that it is willing to use military force to give it control over the natural resources of a country in their region. I mean, they know that in the past it has always helped a country to prosper when its natural resources are controlled by a very large and powerful foreign country.

The streets will be lined with Venezualans with big signs saying 'Welcome America! Enjoy the oil, because we know you are just doing it for our own good! While you're at it, President Trump, would you like my pretty daughter too?"

Re: So are we invading Venezuela now?

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:24 pm
by _canpakes
Chap wrote:The streets will be lined with Venezualans with big signs saying 'Welcome America! Enjoy the oil, because we know you are just doing it for our own good! While you're at it, President Trump, would you like my pretty daughter too?"

We will be greeted as liberators.

Seriously, what can go wrong with this idea, or even the suggestion of it? ; )

Re: So are we invading Venezuela now?

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:33 pm
by _Maksutov
Poll numbers tanking. Mueller closing in. Time to Wag the Dog. :razz: