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The self made Billionaire is a Lie

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:20 pm
by _Kevin Graham
Pretty much...

Environment, family wealth, then genetics, then education...

The link doesn't work because some admin decided to automatically turn Huff Po into "Huffingtonpost" and the former is part of the link that automatically flips to the latter. Nice job guys.

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The myth of the self-made billionaire just won’t die.

This week, Forbes magazine reported that 21-year-old Kylie Jenner was the youngest “self-made billionaire” ever ― as she has pulled in at least $1 billion from her successful makeup company Kylie Cosmetics.

Jenner took pains to say that she’d started her company with her own money ― earned through modeling. “None of my money is inherited,” she said in a recent interview. Forbes clarified that its definition of “self-made” is broad, just meaning that her business hadn’t been directly inherited.

Still, it’s obviously absurd to attach the phrase “self-made” to Jenner, who is part of the wildly successful Jenner-Kardashian clan. While she is clearly savvy about marketing and promotion, Jenner grew up in one of the wealthiest ZIP codes in the world with access to every advantage money could buy ― including years of self-promotion on a successful reality television show. The value of her makeup company lies in the celebrity she accrued via her family.

This isn’t about tearing down Jenner or her popular lip kits, though. She is just the most outlandish example of a bigger problem ― the persistence of the idea that the wealthy succeed because of their own genius, hard work and perseverance. Even Donald Trump, whose parents gave him hundreds of millions of dollars, has managed to promote himself as self-made.

A raft of research says otherwise.

“Wealthy people are mostly wealthy because their parents are wealthy,” says Sandra Black, an economics professor at the University of Texas at Austin.

The correlation between parents’ and children’s wealth is well-established in the research, Black said, but in a recent paper, she tried to pinpoint exactly why.

Are wealthy parents passing on some super-amazing genes to their kids that enable them to go on to great success by virtue of their brilliance? (The Trump theory, let’s say.) Or is the environment a child is raised in the reason for their success as adults?

In her research, Black and her three co-authors found that your chances of becoming wealthy have little to do with your genetic abilities.

The environment you grow up in ― the quality of education your parents can afford to give you, the investments they make in you, the relative affluence of your neighborhood ― is almost twice as important as biology, Black and her coauthors write in a working paper put out this month by the Centre for Economic Policy Research.

For their paper, the researchers looked at the parents of adopted children in Sweden, where there is robust data on both adoption and wealth. They examined kids’ biological and adoptive parents.

Then they looked at the wealth of those adopted children at around age 44 ― old enough to have established themselves as adults, but generally young enough to have not yet inherited their parents’ money. (They only looked at adopted children who still had at least one living parent.)

Black and her cohorts found that the adoptive parents’ wealth was a much better predictor of whether or not their adult child was wealthy.

Academics have done this kind of research before to try to tease out the relationship between, say, education and genetics. And in that case, genes do play a bigger role, she said. With income, a child’s genes play a slight role, too — but their environment is far more important, according to Black.

Wealthy parents have the money available to invest in their children ― in schooling, extracurricular activities, college funds. They also have connections to other wealthy people that the poor simply don’t have ― that means better access to investors in your new company, for example, or a leg up getting into an Ivy League school.

Kids with wealthy parents also have a fabulous safety net. And they’re apt to take more chances, plowing all their money into a lipstick company or overpaying for a piece of New York real estate.

Billionaire Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg and billionaire Microsoft founder Bill Gates came from relatively well-off families, it’s worth noting. But they’re both considered “self-made.”

Entrepreneurs are much more likely to come from wealthy families, where they likely feel more comfortable gambling for success, research has found.

Trump’s father routinely rescued him from financial collapse. Though Jenner’s parents pushed her to go out on her own, I doubt they’d leave her in the streets to fend for herself if everything went belly-up.

To be sure, Black says, environment isn’t literally the only reason someone like Jenner can make $1 billion. You do need some amount of intelligence or savvy to succeed.

But if you’re growing up in a poor neighborhood to parents who are just scraping by, intelligence and savvy are going to be far more difficult to capitalize on. You’re certainly going to take fewer risks with whatever money you have.

“You might think smarter parents have smarter kids, but clearly, it’s beyond that,” she said.

Re: The self made Billionaire is a Lie

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:21 pm
by _honorentheos
One of my favorite treatments on this topic comes from Malcolm Gladwell on his podcast revisionist history:
http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes/ ... t-remember

Also, the link works if you turn off the filter that blanks out swear words in your profile. I'm not sure what the purpose is of censoring bad words on a board organized around supposed movie rating levels where one ought to expect a single f-word, a handful of s-words and a flash of boob on the two most popular forums in off-topic and the Mormonism section. But turning it off has the great advantage of revealing abbreviations as God intended them rather than as Shades understands them to be.

Re: The self made Billionaire is a Lie

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:06 am
by _subgenius
tldr:
how poor do you or your parents have to be in order for bitter middle class guys to conside you legit "self made"?

Notwithstanding a complete ignorance of how economics, markets, or entrepreneurship function.

Re: The self made Billionaire is a Lie

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:54 am
by _honorentheos
Hey, look! subbie made a comment that failed to advance the topic of the OP, be interesting, witty or humorous. Feel free to express your shock openly, it is national panic day after all.

Re: The self made Billionaire is a Lie

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:55 am
by _Jersey Girl
honorentheos wrote: But turning it off has the great advantage of revealing abbreviations as God intended them rather than as Shades understands them to be.


Well played sir.

Re: The self made Billionaire is a Lie

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:59 am
by _Kevin Graham
subgenius wrote:tldr:
how poor do you or your parents have to be in order for bitter middle class guys to conside you legit "self made"?


No one is ever self-made. That is a myth conjured up by those with serious narcissistic tendencies. But it is an important myth for Republicans and like-minded bigots because it is just one of many narratives that helps justify their hatred of poor people. The left pushes for equality, the Right opposes it on the false premise that it already exists because everyone has equal opportunity.

If you truly believe everyone has "equal opportunity" like Sean Hannity keeps reminding his sheep, then there is no need to worry about measure to ensure equality because they only reason they're not equal is due to their own laziness. This is why millions of stupid people worship people with money. They're convinced this means they're that much better than them.

Government should stay out of everything in terms of social inequality. Private corporations and aristocratic constructs should decide the winners and losers. Long live capitalism, ordained by God! Wealth inequality is really just about the takers trying to compete with the makers! Why should I have to give something I earned on my own to someone who is too lazy to make themselves?

Sound familiar? Of course it does. It is an underlying premise of Republican thought and science has just blown it out of the water.

subgenius wrote:Notwithstanding a complete ignorance of how economics, markets, or entrepreneurship function.


Says the non entrepreneur to the entrepreneur. Says the guy who scams Churches for architectural jobs with no basic knowledge of math. Says the guy who has never made a valid economic point in over ten years on this forum.

Re: The self made Billionaire is a Lie

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:11 pm
by _canpakes
Kevin Graham wrote:
subgenius wrote:tldr:
how poor do you or your parents have to be in order for bitter middle class guys to conside you legit "self made"?


No one is ever self-made. That is a myth conjured up by those with serious narcissistic tendencies. But it is an important myth for Republicans and like-minded bigots because it is just one of many narratives that helps justify their hatred of poor people. The left pushes for equality, the Right opposes it on the false premise that it already exists because everyone has equal opportunity.

One thing is for certain. Finding oneself in a position to use family money, or leveraged assets, to finagle one’s way into tax write-offs to the tune of 960 million dollars - ‘losses’ which will end up being covered by the average tax payer while protecting the man taking the write-offs - certainly doesn’t equate to being a ‘self made’ success. But that’s the myth of the guy in the White House at the moment.

Contrary to subs’s two-dimensional understanding of finance and personal character, perhaps the so-called ‘bitter’ folks in this equation aren’t the ones pointing out the obvious, but the ones who have clearly derived a substantial financial benefit from their social status that the average man cannot access - and who are now griping about ever having to acknowledge that disparity, even if they don’t really have to pay for that benefit.

Re: The self made Billionaire is a Lie

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:45 pm
by _subgenius
canpakes wrote:One thing is for certain. Finding oneself in a position to use family money, or leveraged assets, to finagle one’s way into tax write-offs to the tune of 960 million dollars - ‘losses’ which will end up being covered by the average tax payer while protecting the man taking the write-offs - certainly doesn’t equate to being a ‘self made’ success. But that’s the myth of the guy in the White House at the moment.

Contrary to subs’s two-dimensional understanding of finance and personal character, perhaps the so-called ‘bitter’ folks in this equation aren’t the ones pointing out the obvious, but the ones who have clearly derived a substantial financial benefit from their social status that the average man cannot access - and who are now griping about ever having to acknowledge that disparity, even if they don’t really have to pay for that benefit.

Not really an answer, more of an (surprise!) attack on messenger. But yeah, i get ya, "self-made" is for pan handlers only.
Speaking of 2 dimensional:
*Dell founder, gets a loan from grandma.
*canpakes - "silver spoon!!!"

heaven forbid a person's success be based upon their ability and decisions they make....preposterous!!!


footnote: captain obvious just noted that any and all tax write-offs from any and all taxpayers are covered by the average taxpayer....wait, whaaaaaaaa?

Re: The self made Billionaire is a Lie

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:07 pm
by _canpakes
subgenius wrote:
canpakes wrote:footnote: captain obvious just noted that any and all tax write-offs from any and all taxpayers are covered by the average taxpayer....wait, whaaaaaaaa?

Thanks for admitting that this is entirely obvious, which seems to illustrate the problem with the concept of ‘self-made’ billionaires who are able to have taxpayers cover their mistakes at dollar amounts greater than you will personally make during your entire life. ; )

But, keep trying to rant about how the OP is incorrect, while agreeing that it ain’t.

Re: The self made Billionaire is a Lie

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:59 pm
by _subgenius
canpakes wrote:Thanks for admitting that this is entirely obvious, which seems to illustrate the problem with the concept of ‘self-made’ billionaires who are able to have taxpayers cover their mistakes at dollar amounts greater than you will personally make during your entire life. ; )

But, keep trying to rant about how the OP is incorrect, while agreeing that it ain’t.

The concept?

oh i get it..."self made" is an illusion because every business needs customers (a.k.a. customer made billionaire)...you are now crowned the loophole king- congrats and long live the loophole king!