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Anybody else here give a damn?

Yes. I’m just sick about it. Ms. Ipsa suggests I don’t watch/read Tucker Carlson’s comments about the students from earlier in the week. Something about my blood pressure.

I do. It's beyond words. There were 3 suicides at one of my son's colleges this academic year. He knew all three of the girls and is struggling mightily with the situation, so I can only imagine how damaging the Parkland situation is. The effect of the murders and now the suicides is horrifying. my heart goes out to those families.

Lemmie wrote:I do. It's beyond words. There were 3 suicides at one of my son's colleges this academic year. He knew all three of the girls and is struggling mightily with the situation, so I can only imagine how damaging the Parkland situation is. The effect of the murders and now the suicides is horrifying. my heart goes out to those families.

Lemmie, I’m so sorry your son is going through this. A terrible thing for a young person to live through.

Maksutov wrote:Anybody else here give a damn?

First I want to know how you can effectively roll your eyes at this issue?

Yes, I give more "F"s than I care to admit. I believe I wrote about this on a thread about Parkland students where I discussed PTSD, early treatment, depression/anxiety and ideation of suicide in reference to not only the Parkland students but their families as well, and I wrote about how the shooter replicated himself (mental health wise) hundreds of times over. I, in fact, know I did and I remember writing about it.

I give a damn because I have a family member who witnessed the violent suicide by another family member who didn't receive treatment that very night and who in the aftermath suffered from PTSD and all the recurrent and issues that I listed above, and whose recovery took all of seven years. Seven years.

I know what it's like not to understand trauma until you look in the face of it and realize that your loved one truly is not there. I know what the ramifications of not having immediate early treatment for mental shock are and even when one receives immediate treatment, there is no guarantee that the life they hold will be spared.

Yes, I definitely do give a damn that a mentally ill person perpetrated an act that did then and will forever impact the lives of all involved for the rest of their lives whether they were Parkland survivors or suicide survivors which the parents, family, and friends become with each subsequent suicide.

How could you roll your eyes at loss of life? Loss of potential? Loss of a future life that could have contributed to society? Loss of everything a young person or their family thought and dreamed that the future held for them or what their lives would be like?

How could you roll your eyes.

Maksutov wrote:Anybody else here give a ____?

Damn, dude. I'm not a snowflake or anything, but even I thought that was exceptionally insensitive.

Unfortunately, we probably now have enough data about mass shootings at schools to be able to do a study on the mental health repercussions of students in the schools at the time (and before and after the shootings, for control groups). The Center for Disease Control is specifically prohibited from studying the effects of gun violence.

The New York Times wrote:For decades, that has been an essential part of the National Rifle Association’s mantra in defending firearms ownership, repeated at congressional hearings, in advertisements and on T-shirts.

Dr. Mark Rosenberg, who once headed research on firearm violence at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, wondered if there was any evidence backing the N.R.A.’s assertion.

“So we looked at the question, does having a gun at home protect your family or not?” Dr. Rosenberg recalled.

He was amazed by the answer. The landmark study in 1993 showed that bringing a gun into the home puts everyone at much greater risk.

“They were saying if you want to keep your family safe, if you are a real man, you will have a gun at home,” Dr. Rosenberg said. “Bringing the gun not only didn’t protect you, it put you at much, much greater risk.”

To this day, gun rights advocates dispute the study’s findings. The N.R.A. pushed Congress in 1995 to stop the C.D.C. from spending taxpayer money on research that advocated gun control. Congress then passed the Dickey Amendment in 1996, and cut funding that effectively ended the C.D.C.’s study of gun violence as a public health issue.

The result is that 22 years and more than 600,000 gunshot victims later, much of the federal government has largely abandoned efforts to learn why people shoot one another, or themselves, and what can be done to prevent gun violence.

So gun violence is not a health problem, because the CDC is prohibited from studying gun violence as a health problem. The dissonance of such a tautology is evident to everyone except the NRA and their Quislings in Congress.

I kind of do, especially in light that i just read this story today:

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2019/03/24/ ... utah-town/

But I have no idea how society can tackle this issue effectively.

- Doc

Lemmie wrote:I do. It's beyond words. There were 3 suicides at one of my son's colleges this academic year. He knew all three of the girls and is struggling mightily with the situation, so I can only imagine how damaging the Parkland situation is. The effect of the murders and now the suicides is horrifying. my heart goes out to those families.

Don't see this as a request or provocation to provide details. Talk therapy if it's not already happening. Information about complicated grief and suicide survivors. If panic attacks are part of the equation, send me a PM and I'll mention a solution to consider.

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:I kind of do, especially in light that i just read this story today:

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2019/03/24/ ... utah-town/

But I have no idea how society can tackle this issue effectively.

- Doc

Tackle the mental illness issue? I think we begin with open discussion and public education. Go from there.