Lindsey Graham:Non-compliance w/House is impeachable

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ajax18 wrote:Why did you leave Norway Gunnar? And why don't you return now if you agree with the politics of the people there? You don't seem anything like Ragnar Lothbrok to me.

What in your opinion changed about Scandinavians? You're not that different gentically from the people that dominated Northern Europe during the Viking age. What turned your people into the ompotent wannabe communists we see today? Was it Christianity? No more promises of Valhalla? Or was it just Marx?


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ajax18 wrote:Why did you leave Norway Gunnar? And why don't you return now if you agree with the politics of the people there? You don't seem anything like Ragnar Lothbrok to me.

I had no choice in the matter. My parents decided to immigrate when I was 5 years old, shortly after the end of WW2. Things looked rather bleak in Europe at the time. Besides that, My parents were Mormon converts, and wanted to move to the USA where Mormonism was more widely accepted, and in order to be sealed in the Temple along with the 3 children they had at the time, I being the oldest. I grew up being very proud of my adopted country and its past. At the time, it was arguably the best and safest country in the world in several ways and a land of great opportunity. I don't regret the experiences I have had here and the friends I made. I still have hopes that this country can regain its position as a bastion for freedom and justice, and attain its full, still great potential, so I refuse to abandon it. First, though, we have to get rid of Trump and Trumpism and start working to repair the damage he has done to my adopted country and its once vaunted ideals.

What in your opinion changed about Scandinavians? You're not that different gentically from the people that dominated Northern Europe during the Viking age. What turned your people into the ompotent wannabe communists we see today? Was it Christianity? No more promises of Valhalla? Or was it just Marx?

I wholly endorse Res Ipsa's answer to that incredibly ignorant and offensive question. Please grow up and strive to better inform yourself! Most of all, stop being such a hateful, intolerant bigot!
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They grew up, Ajax. Go thou and do likewise.


I'm afraid they just grew soft as we have so declined and devolved. The fact that we don't win anymore resonated in 2016.
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ajax18 wrote:
They grew up, Ajax. Go thou and do likewise.

I'm afraid they just grew soft as we have so declined and devolved. The fact that we don't win anymore resonated in 2016.

Likewise, I’m sure that later tonight, when you want a snack, you will not go outside and attack a bear, wrestle it to the ground and kill it to satisfy your cravings. Nor will you gather up a raiding party of your optometrist friends and go off to attack the neighboring town to raid their jerky stash.

Instead, you’ll just get up off of your comfy couch, drag your soft arse over to the fridge and will grab some pre-packaged grub that you bought last week at Winn-Dixie.

“Devolution”. Right?
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One has to wonder what "winning" looks like to some people.
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Illegal immigrants don't vote. And Ajax18 believes that exposure to illegal immigrants makes one more likely to be hostile to them and vote Republican to express that hostility. (It's the opposite, but whatever.) So how on earth would an influx of illegal immigrants help Democrats on Ajax's reasoning?

I suspect it's that he thinks illegal immigrants are illegally voting Democrat en masse. This is simply false, but it's the hidden assumption of his assertions.
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ajax18 wrote:
Who exactly makes up this law? Is it a congressional statute? Is it case law precedent? Or is it what the current attorney general says is the law?


I think you misunderstood what occurred here. Clinton didn't delete emails in response to a supeona or anything like that. She had ordered her work-related emails to be released. The rest were deleted in standard practice that I imagine is similar to what occurs at your workplace. Determining what was "work-related" was done by her legal team. This is not against the law. It's just not. if you feel it should be, that's another matter, but you can't jail her for breaking a law that does not exist.

This is not like when the Bush admin "lost" many more emails under supeona, which is often how it is covered in the right-wing media (ironically enough). She complied with all subsequent Congressional supeonas and orders on email preservation. This is part of why calls to prosecute and jail her for this are baseless and frightening. It's calling on prosecuting and jailing political opposition without a lawful predicate. This is what happens in autocracies.

The legally questionable thing Clinton did was have a private server for government business in the first place. That's it. It was a practice she inherited from and expanded upon from the previous administration. The argument in favor of not indicting her for that is the relevant law has never been used to successfully prosecute anything close to what she did, which is very much an edge case. I personally was in favor of indicting her with the expectation she would be cleared, but it is perfectly reasonable to opt not to indict given how unlikely a successful prosecution would have been. Even if she would've been convicted, the penalty would not have involved any jail time. We're talking about a hard to prosecute, minor offense. All the subsequent stuff focused around deleting emails in a desperate run from the law is fever swamp nonsense that misunderstands and/or misrepresents what happened and what the law is.

Could Congress have wiretapped his phone similar to the way Obama wiretapped the Trump campaign?


There's no evidence that happened. You need to stop consuming trash.

To hide it in an email conversation he would have needed a private server. Isn't that reason Hillary used an illegal private server, to hide her emails from congressional Republicans?


Well, this is just confusing. Yes, it's quite possible Clinton used a private email server to frustrate FOIA requests. No, you don't need a private server to send secure messages. There are encrypted applications that do that. The Trump admin has had numerous figures caught over and over doing that, incidentally, which doesn't seem to have bothered you despite all your concern for executive communication retention practices in the case of Clinton. Moreoever, Bill Clinton is a wealthy private citizen. If that actually was needed, he could've done that. But even if he made a phone call, that sure as hell is more secure than just having a meeting in public. The underlying conspiracy idea makes no sense.
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honorentheos wrote:One has to wonder what "winning" looks like to some people.

He has a choice. Raiding party, or Winn-Dixie. I wonder why he wants to go with the latter, ‘soft’ option.
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ajax18 wrote:You don't seem anything like Ragnar Lothbrok to me.

Yeah Gunnar, you don't seem at all like a dude with multiple failed marriages that would take over a hundred men hostage after attacking a city without provocation, and then hang them all on an island to honor Odin.

Why don't you grow a pair, and return to your roots.
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I grew up being very proud of my adopted country and its past.


Really, our slave holding past and now governed by a document written by slave holding men?

Let me ask you something Gunnar. Do you feel guilty for the way your ancestors raped, robbed, enslaved and pillaged the Anglo Saxons in England? Do you think it would be fair for your family to pay reparations to mine given the history of our people?
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