Why are people so hostile towards Trump?

[_Fiannan]

And yet the Democrats are no better, maybe even worse, as they bow to their trans-national corporate elite and help gut the USA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNrDej7aXMs&t=2s

Hedges is no pro-Trump guy in any sense of the word. But the Democrats are not there for the working people.

[_Dr Exiled]

And yet the Democrats are no better, maybe even worse, as they bow to their trans-national corporate elite and help gut the USA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNrDej7aXMs&t=2s

Hedges is no pro-Trump guy in any sense of the word. But the Democrats are not there for the working people.

Corporate left v. Corporate right = disaffected electorate = equals electing a jack ass reality t.v. host as president (without a competent stage manager).

I like Chris Hedges. I wish those on the left would pay a little more attention to him and what he has to say. He is spot on about war and the economy, two issues that should dominate the 2020 election, but probably won't.

[_EAllusion]

Donald Trump is dishonest on a level that would take a lot of effort from an ordinary person. He lies about everything, both big and small. He lies about matters that are easily contradicted by facts he should know everyone has available to them. He does it relentlessly, day after day, with a huge % of the entirety of his public comments. I've never seen anyone so habitually dishonest, and I've worked with pathological liars.

So, starting with that, I'm not a fan "fact-checker" media. They're fairly bad. They routinely both miss the context and relative importance of comments. In an effort to seem "fair" they inject weirdly biased decisions in how they cover statements. I'm reminded of the Washington Post recently fact-checking Bernie Sanders for making a false statement when he said millions of people work multiple jobs to get by. The "fact-check" argued this was false because only several million people do that, which is a relatively small % of the total workforce. Bernie Sanders got a false rating for stating something literally true because the Washington Post's person decided an inferred implication was misleading. This kind of thing is normal in fact-check media, which itself is the media's way of copping out on asserting facts in regular articles that political factions, especially conservative ones, have decided to contend. Can't just point out the President lied when the President lied. That has to go in a separate section.

But you want to be able to communicate to others just how deceptive Donald Trump is. And he lies with such frequency on issues big and small that it is impossible to catalog them from the top of your head. Even trying to do a best-of sample is going to fail to capture the sheer scope of how pathologically dishonest the man is. The solution to this most people have decided to go with is to rely on fact-checker organizations counting up lies because that gives some big numbers. This is helpful, but it is an unfortunate compromise. It's not ideal.

[_GameOver]

That list is comprised of the talking points of CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times and the Washington Post, etc. - including all the rest of the Leftist media consumed by the brainwashed, groupthink lemmings that don’t research to evaluate both sides.

Here’s a starting point:

http://www.magapill.com/

Trump is going to win this next election. None of the hopeful Candidates can even come close to identifying and developing their plans, let alone accomplishing them like what Trump has done in two short years, ESPECIALLY considering that he’s had the Corruptocrats, the Intelligence Community, the Leftist media and some RINOs of his own party against him. He’s actually f’ing AMAZING that he’s even gotten through it and accomplished what he has.

When the DOJ finally completes it’s investigations and declassifies the reports, everyone who REALLY gives a damn will see how corrupt our government has been - ESPECIALLY the Democrat Party and their attempted coup of the Presidency. And the Dems have swung too far left into Socialism to gain the support of the country.

In full disclosure, I’m a registered Independent.

[_Gunnar]

Donald Trump is dishonest on a level that would take a lot of effort from an ordinary person. He lies about everything, both big and small. He lies about matters that are easily contradicted by facts he should know everyone has available to them. He does it relentlessly, day after day, with a huge % of the entirety of his public comments. I've never seen anyone so habitually dishonest, and I've worked with pathological liars.

So, starting with that, I'm not a fan "fact-checker" media. They're fairly bad. They routinely both miss the context and relative importance of comments. In an effort to seem "fair" they inject weirdly biased decisions in how they cover statements. I'm reminded of the Washington Post recently fact-checking Bernie Sanders for making a false statement when he said millions of people work multiple jobs to get by. The "fact-check" argued this was false because only several million people do that, which is a relatively small % of the total workforce. Bernie Sanders got a false rating for stating something literally true because the Washington Post's person decided an inferred implication was misleading. This kind of thing is normal in fact-check media, which itself is the media's way of copping out on asserting facts in regular articles that political factions, especially conservative ones, have decided to contend. Can't just point out the President lied when the President lied. That has to go in a separate section.

But you want to be able to communicate to others just how deceptive Donald Trump is. And he lies with such frequency on issues big and small that it is impossible to catalog them from the top of your head. Even trying to do a best-of sample is going to fail to capture the sheer scope of how pathologically dishonest the man is. The solution to this most people have decided to go with is to rely on fact-checker organizations counting up lies because that gives some big numbers. This is helpful, but it is an unfortunate compromise. It's not ideal.

It is remarkable and frustrating how many of his base supporters are apparently fully aware of his pathologically dishonesty, yet continue so support him anyway. Trump himself hardly disputes the fact that he is a liar, and apparently even largely credits his capacity and willingness to shamelessly lie as important, and perhaps even vital, to his continuing success. I guess he figures a significant portion of his base finds something admirable and even (as paradoxically as it seems) "honest" about being so openly and unabashedly dishonest.

ETA: I agree with you that there should be more fact checking of Trump on the spot, immediately after the lie comes out of his mouth, and not mainly in separate columns devoted specifically to fact-checking.

[_Res Ipsa]

It’s hard not to become numb to the sheer number of the man’s exaggerations and outright lies. Here’s a recap from last week alone. https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/23/politics ... index.html

That alone is sufficient reason for me to be hostile toward the President.

[_subgenius]

It is remarkable and frustrating how many of his base supporters are apparently fully aware of his pathologically dishonesty, yet continue so support him anyway. ....

because talk is cheap and the Dems start hair fire after hair fire over inconsequential rhetoric that only serves to distract and expose the inadequacies of the DNC.
Trump supporters care about results and not Instagram followers when it comes to policy...which is why Dems turn a blind and hypocritical eye away from politicians like Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Obama, etc.
results are what matter...results like these:
http://www.magapill.com/

[_Gunnar]

It is remarkable and frustrating how many of his base supporters are apparently fully aware of his pathologically dishonesty, yet continue so support him anyway. ....

because talk is cheap and the Dems start hair fire after hair fire over inconsequential rhetoric that only serves to distract and expose the inadequacies of the DNC.
Trump supporters care about results and not Instagram followers when it comes to policy...which is why Dems turn a blind and hypocritical eye away from politicians like Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Obama, etc.
results are what matter...results like these:
http://www.magapill.com/

We have pointed out to your absolutely incontrovertible examples of Trump blatantly and deliberately lying, to which you had no response, which you obviously realized you could not even attempt to dispute without either making a further fool of yourself, or revealing yourself to be a liar. So don't reiterate that idiotic accusation that claiming Trump to be dishonest is merely an example of hair fire with no evidential basis.

Besides that, many of the accomplishments you listed are of questionable worth, especially those that involve eliminating or weakening regulations that are designed protect our environment, water and air quality and safety, and the health and safety of human beings.

I will admit, though, that many of the items you listed were desirable and needed, though I question how many of them would not otherwise have been signed into law had someone else been President. Despite those accomplishments you attributed to Trump, it is indisputable that Trump does not hesitate to lie whenever he thinks it will advance his agenda or his own self-interest.

[_Gunnar]

subby, I am still going through the list of accomplishments you listed, and I have to admit that there are a lot of them I agree are admirable and are good ideas, no matter who accomplished them, besides some that I think are detrimental. Thank you for the reference to them. I actually take some encouragement from going through the list!

There were some, however, that are problematic or even appalling, and display a lack of respect or awareness for scientific reality. I will list some of those in a later post.

[_canpakes]

... many of the items you listed were desirable and needed, though I question how many of them would not otherwise have been signed into law had someone else been President.

Exactly. If they can be branded accomplishments in the present sense, then an effectively-governing Republican congressional leadership team can achieve them regardless of Trump.

All that Trump brings to the table is the ability to bring out the worst in Americans through his nonstop barrage of divisive comments and childlike tantrums. He is unnecessary to the legislative process and is distinctly contrary to the ideals that this country was founded on and whatever it was that conservatives and Republicans ever claimed to stand for, be they moral or ideological principles.